Nach vielen Ressourcen ist der Index der Geschlechtergleichheit höher, je mehr Sie in Europa gehen. Warum ist das geschlechtsspezifische Lohngefälle umgekehrt größer? Das Internet sagt "Nordische haben sexuelle Arbeitsplätze" Aber warum ist das zum Beispiel in Italien nicht wahr?
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Is this gap salary within same profession or overall salary difference?
„For every 100€ men earn, women earn“ 🤣 that’s so misleading
If companies could pay women less for the same job and same amount of work, no one would hire men at all.
Due to social support, including decent maternity leaves, many women who start families have less need to keep grinding the corporate ladder and instead are able to take more time off.
It’s misleading data. It’s not taken from the same professions, so it’s like comparing apples with bananas. As an example, a male surgeon of a specific specialty, will earn exactly same as a female one, in the same specialty, not more. Same goes for other jobs. These must always be compared **within** the same professions.
Women choose jobs that dont pay as well. not everybody considers money to be most important factor in career choice
Weird I thought Finland was at least once the best in Europe for gender equality, although maybe that was based on some other kind of metric?
This is a lie, at best misleading fact, that has been perpetuated all over media for decades. There was of course a time when men earned much more than women, however this is no longer the case.
Perhaps 20 years ago I read some statistics, directed there by one activist researcher, which showed that indeed, „womans euro is 80 cents“. Those statistics did also show that „womans hour is 48 minutes“.
One difference was, at least at that time, that men worked more overtime, and wanted the overtime as money. And the statistics did not take this into account. Also, women did shorter hours for smaller pay. This too was not taken into account.
Now there probably is difference in pay in many instances, but that statistics is misleading.
**Edit:** I was a research by this guy, I am not sure if it was the same paper. **And I did check his numbers from stat.fi.**
[https://www.tasa-arvo.com/u0-palkkatasa-arvokirja-net.pdf](https://www.tasa-arvo.com/u0-palkkatasa-arvokirja-net.pdf)
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Aineistovuosi on vuosilta 1999-2000 (jos tieto löytyy)
Palkansaajien normaali viikkotyöaika
Miehet 38,6
Naiset 35,5
Palkansaajien työpäivien lukumäärä vuodessa keskimäärin
Miehet 238
Naiset 218
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Finland and Estonia can’t have the same pay gap because they are not the same.
Other countries also look suspicious.
Don’t believe TikTok science.
Turns out that when all jobs pay a living wage, people tend to, for some reason, pivot towards more traditionally accepted jobs. Like, not pushing for „new frontiers“ for money isn’t absolutely necessary.
The traditional fields being, for example, caring for children, elderly, people anyways, for women and for men crafts and stem fields.
But that doesn’t even necessarily equate to a pay gap as the majority of doctors are women in Finland and they earn good money.
And still men have higher unemployment and incarceration rates, so has that been counted in?
Men demand bigger salaries more often than women, who tend to settle for less. In addition, men typically have longer careers (no maternity leave, lower education = years saved from studying) and they seek careerpaths, which pay the most (technology, finances etc.).
This data is commonly used as misinformation. The difference is explained by women doing less hours due to maternity leaves and so on. The hourly pay is similar when comparing similar jobs between men and women.
In my opinion, because in the Nordics women have the luxury of choosing the work they want to do rather than the one that brings money.
So you have relatively more women in fields like healthcare or social work that pays less but might have more willingness to pursue, than higher paying fields they aren’t necessarily interested in.
Due to the social net they also don’t need to climb the corporate ladder, can spend more time taking care of children, or even not work at all in some cases.
Whereas in Spain you need two jobs to just pay the rent.
Keep in mind this is aggregated data, so you compare a relatively larger amount of workaholic ambitious men in engineering, IT, finance, versus relatively more women who work in healthcare, part time etc…
So it is debatable the pay gap even exists to an extent that is significant. Women and men are paid the same at equal positions, they just don’t occupy the same ones.
It’s mostly because women tend to choose professions that have lower pay in general. Healthcare, public sector, administration etc, mostly low-risk but secure jobs with good benefits. Women also have more part-time jobs and care jobs, which is definitely a family-relatefäd social/political issue.
There are also more women who don’t work by choice.
In private sector jobs, engineering, construction, finance etc women earn the same as men, but are underrepresented. Jobs with high risk (personal, physical or financial risk) tend to have an overrepresentation of men. High risk pays better.
In board positions etc women actually earn more than men, because there are quotas that are hard to fill. Women aiming for top leadership jobs in the private sector tend to have faster career development than men.
The simple fact is that this is fake news. The figure „83“ for a country like Finland is in itself an utter embarrassment. You should feel shameful to even pretend to present a figure like this for a Nordic country. This fake „statistic“ is essentially saying women get paid 83% of what men do, for the same work. Yes, even Finland has issues but this certainly isn’t one of them. To get numbers like this, they lump cleaners and nurses together with CEOs and politicians and claim that women earn 83%. It is insane. If you could pay women 83% for the same job, companies would be full of women exclusively since there would be so much more value in their work.
I have personal experience from this at my job. We have DEI / Equality body, and 2 years ago I remember fuming over a presentation they did where they „found“ that women were paid less (that figure was 8x something, too). I work for a prestigious government office (54% women btw), and the idea that in our line of work, at a government job, women could POSSIBLY earn less is asinine.
This year, just 3 weeks ago? The HR department finally compared titles and ranks correctly, and found that women were paid 100,8€ for every male 100€. Oops.
In Finland womens work about 4 year less and they usually work at city or coverment who salary is less than private sector
Lots of hard physical labor maybe? I don’t know, I’m just guessing.
I’ve seen only few female welders during my career.
One wanted to spend the rest of her life sitting and bench pressing small parts. That’s really not the way to earn a raise.
One became stay at home mom, just because she wanted to.
One asked for mens pay, and the next day she was given heavier parts to work with. After that day she didn’t want the mens pay.
As long as robots are not doing all the physically demanding work, there will be gap.
Less than in germany