Considering that their supporters basically gave him his win, at least in large part, whether he can or not, I hope he doesn’t.
Individual_Bet_6025 on
Its amazing to me how twisted Carney has political analysis and voters alike .
Not many understand Carney , which is baffling because hes literally the defination of consistent and open book .
The level of understanding about Carney is the proof of how polarizing our politics have become.
The metrics have changed
darth_henning on
We’re also still waiting on Nunavut to be finalized, and on three recounts.
While it’s *exceedingly* unlikely that they could still hit 172, it’s surprisingly possible.
Even Elizabeth May alone is probably enough to keep them from losing any confidence vote at this point. Let alone the fact that O’Toole, Scheer, and other prominent conservatives are (finally) talking about working together rather than PP’s hyper-partisanism.
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Well duh. He can make deals with the Bloc. Considering everybody calls him „Progressive Conservative“ he can have CPC support some legislation.
But let’s cut the crap and get to the point. This will certainly be another Liberal – NDP confidence and supply agreement.
bandersnatching on
The subtext here is that it should be the HarpervrePostMedia Party that is the most significant influence on the government.
Except that the country has rejected them, and the NDP is the only social democratic party remaining that shares the same ideals with the government that Canadians elected.
hunkydorey_ca on
I’m all for working together that’s what government and election officials are supposed to do. What’s going to happen is liberals with meet in the middle and give conservatives concessions, but the conservatives rarely meet in the middle and will be back to their hate campaign when the time is right.
sgtmattie on
Just because they can, doesn’t mean they will. It would be harder to work with any other party. It also probably doesn’t align with their goals. Sure everyone talks about how carney is going to govern more from the right, but that really isn’t backed up by much policy.
Why would they tackle working with the bloc or CPC when they have a perfectly good partner that has already proven themselves as a competent ally? Maybe they won’t have an official agreement, but I imagine there will still be lots of collaboration.
I don’t know I just find this endless discussion about how they could cut out the NDP to be tiresome, given that it’s probably not necessary and there isn’t really much indication that’s their goal.
sneeduck on
It’s a pretty complicated situation for the NDP. If Carney were to table a poison pill legislation, I don’t know if the party can really vote against it with massive debt and without a leader. Realistically I think Carney can just bully legislation through for the next 2 years, without any risk of the entire opposition voting against it. After that it will come down to the next NDP leader, and whether the Pequistes take power in Quebec.
Openyourmindalready on
“Of course, Carney can try to entice at least two opposition MPs to cross the floor and join the Liberals to give him a majority government, but that will just increase public skepticism about the political process and undermine the belief that elections matter.”
I wouldn’t worry about that. The side of electorate that would have a problem with this, also have no problem with Poillievres “reelection”.
Routine_Soup2022 on
This entire article by the sun is a winding argument designed to get more power for CPC MPs in Parliament. I definitely agree that Carney can work with the CPC on some issues but the idea that he won’t work with others and also potentially get a couple floor crossers is naive thinking.
It all starts later this month with the Carney plan moving forward.
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Considering that their supporters basically gave him his win, at least in large part, whether he can or not, I hope he doesn’t.
Its amazing to me how twisted Carney has political analysis and voters alike .
Not many understand Carney , which is baffling because hes literally the defination of consistent and open book .
The level of understanding about Carney is the proof of how polarizing our politics have become.
The metrics have changed
We’re also still waiting on Nunavut to be finalized, and on three recounts.
While it’s *exceedingly* unlikely that they could still hit 172, it’s surprisingly possible.
Even Elizabeth May alone is probably enough to keep them from losing any confidence vote at this point. Let alone the fact that O’Toole, Scheer, and other prominent conservatives are (finally) talking about working together rather than PP’s hyper-partisanism.
Well duh. He can make deals with the Bloc. Considering everybody calls him „Progressive Conservative“ he can have CPC support some legislation.
But let’s cut the crap and get to the point. This will certainly be another Liberal – NDP confidence and supply agreement.
The subtext here is that it should be the HarpervrePostMedia Party that is the most significant influence on the government.
Except that the country has rejected them, and the NDP is the only social democratic party remaining that shares the same ideals with the government that Canadians elected.
I’m all for working together that’s what government and election officials are supposed to do. What’s going to happen is liberals with meet in the middle and give conservatives concessions, but the conservatives rarely meet in the middle and will be back to their hate campaign when the time is right.
Just because they can, doesn’t mean they will. It would be harder to work with any other party. It also probably doesn’t align with their goals. Sure everyone talks about how carney is going to govern more from the right, but that really isn’t backed up by much policy.
Why would they tackle working with the bloc or CPC when they have a perfectly good partner that has already proven themselves as a competent ally? Maybe they won’t have an official agreement, but I imagine there will still be lots of collaboration.
I don’t know I just find this endless discussion about how they could cut out the NDP to be tiresome, given that it’s probably not necessary and there isn’t really much indication that’s their goal.
It’s a pretty complicated situation for the NDP. If Carney were to table a poison pill legislation, I don’t know if the party can really vote against it with massive debt and without a leader. Realistically I think Carney can just bully legislation through for the next 2 years, without any risk of the entire opposition voting against it. After that it will come down to the next NDP leader, and whether the Pequistes take power in Quebec.
“Of course, Carney can try to entice at least two opposition MPs to cross the floor and join the Liberals to give him a majority government, but that will just increase public skepticism about the political process and undermine the belief that elections matter.”
I wouldn’t worry about that. The side of electorate that would have a problem with this, also have no problem with Poillievres “reelection”.
This entire article by the sun is a winding argument designed to get more power for CPC MPs in Parliament. I definitely agree that Carney can work with the CPC on some issues but the idea that he won’t work with others and also potentially get a couple floor crossers is naive thinking.
It all starts later this month with the Carney plan moving forward.