„We just got to wait out the recession, then he’s going to make us all rich. It’s 4D chess not even economists understand“ – typical MAGA
saskdudley on
The art of the deal. He didn’t bankrupt numerous casinos for nothing.
LoquatMost467 on
It’s laughable that anyone thinks manufacturing is coming back to a services economy.
Even if it happened, robots/AI would run the lines, not humans who need breaks, salaries, health care, pensions, etc.
So pathetically gullible maga was.
Desperate-Ostrich707 on
You mean Trump doesn’t understand how tariffs work economically? Especially since it’s about him and his pocketbook, not you, me, and the future of America. He doesn’t care as long as it helps him.
regmaster on
It’s like, all the shit you need to buy to build a factory comes from foreign nations, all of which have massive tariffs. Fucking imbeciles.
goderdammurang on
Building factories in the US detracts from quarterly driven shareholder value.
Funnelling the same money that would be used to build factories into stock buy backs? Increases quarterly shareholder value.
If your a C level or Board whose comp plan is heavily weighted on equity?
US corps embraced off sharing 30+ years ago… To improve shareholder value by eliminating high cost US labor.
US Corporations have never, ever embraced long-term planning or goals.
Reviews-From-Me on
What Trump and his fans don’t understand is that his trade wars won’t help the American people.
Either we pay more because of import tariffs or we pay more because of higher domestic manufacturing costs. And even if the production is brought to the US, it’ll mean lower production volume because it’ll be too expensive to export those goods to other countries. Demand here won’t decrease, but supply will decrease, resulting in even higher prices.
RedditReader4031 on
1. He’s a buffoon who is high on his own inflated ego. 2. He’s lived his whole life in a social, financial and family business bubble. 3. His “businessman” skills are limited because of #2 and because the Trump Organization is hundreds of paper companies with maybe a few dozen employees in total. 4. Those businesses have never involved retail or manufacturing. An example of Dunning-Kruger run amok, he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. 5. No one has ever told him “No!”
InfidelZombie on
I work for a company whose revenue comes primarily from manufacturing, >75% of which is done in the US. Our response to the tariffs has been to ramp down US manufacturing and ramp up in China and Europe to match our customer base.
I would say this is an unforeseen consequence, but I don’t think anyone looked in advanced.
restore_democracy on
Killing investment is science and technology. Killing investment in scalable energy. Killing education. Killing immigration. Killing the supply chain. Killing the economy.
Great_Bluejay_7389 on
It doesn’t seem like they would have enough people willing to take the jobs anyway. Not with Trump hurting unions so much.
The1Ski on
All we have to do is build the factories that build the parts that we use to build factories.
– MAGA
Searchlights on
Forget opening factories, you can’t even plan production runs in existing factories if your supply chain runs in to China.
rbhmmx on
It’s ironic that to address the issue of the U.S. outsourcing manufacturing and paying others to produce cheap goods, the solution is to make everything more expensive domestically. So now, we pay more and get less, and somehow that’s supposed to make us better off?
dustinhut13 on
He’s also made it impossible for me, personally, to ever get ahead financially before I hit retirement age. My adult life has been a series of Republican-led recessions, and fuck you Donnie for causing yet another bump in the road. Motherfucker won’t even live to see the results of his bullshit. This whole presidency is consequence free for the asshole
Ahleron on
Honestly, I think that was the plan. I really think he has set out to destroy the US economy.
titaniumoctopus336 on
So. Much. Winning!
Serpentongue on
Biden strikes again /s
CurrentlyLucid on
He is beyond stupid, well into incompetent. Does he think factories just pop up instantly, along with trained workers? He is going to fuck up the economy so bad, it will take the next 3 presidents to fix it.
rotisseur on
Possible, not probable.
tkingsbu on
That’s because all this is performative… it was NEVER intended to actually get manufacturing back etc…
AtomicBlastCandy on
Something people to fail to realize is that the US simply lacks the ability to support domestic manufacturer.
Let’s say I have an idea for an electronic. I can go to Schenzen China where there are plants ready to work, employees trained, engineers to help design, and a logical way to ship it by sea and air without any unnecessarily delay or red tape. If we need raw parts just about everything is available in the city. Any problems can be smoothed over by talking to a local official as the government in China is insanely business friendly apart from IP theft but I don’t think the US protects IP anyways.
Sure_Quality5354 on
If you thought for a second that donald fucking trump of all people was going bring manufacturing back to the U.S after its been gone for decades, you need professional help
OhGodSoManyQuestions on
None of this was ever about opening factories in the US. The stunning apathy behind that poster and its made-up numbers demonstrates how little they care about even having a plan. It’s just a way for Trump to shake down nations and corporations for bribes. We need to stop pretending this was ever about anything else.
UniqueIndividual3579 on
A factory can cost billions. The US is unstable with an unpredictable ruler who rules by tantrums. The risk is off the charts. No company will build. They will tell Trump they are opening a trillion factories. Then drag out the planning until Trump is gone.
BigMax on
tldr; Can’t manufacture here because all the raw materials also have tariffs, making it too expensive. Additionally, the tariffs come and go so quickly, no one can form a business plan based on tariffs that might disappear at any moment based on Trump’s whims.
williamgman on
Been in manufacturing my whole life… Folks don’t get all the automation and machinery used comes from global part suppliers. And even then… When the factory is complete… It’s mostly automated.
joergonix on
I still ask this question of every republican willing to talk politics with me: „Would you rather your children work in a mine / factory or in an office / at home?“ They all say at in an office, and I say well why are we trying to bring back all of these factory jobs then? Somehow it still never clicks for them. Its always how their lives are different and only their children deserve education and good jobs. The only good way to bring manufacturing back to the US is slowly, and through massive amounts of automation that has very low job yield.
Walovingi on
The U.S. has about 4% unemployment rate. How are they supposed to man all these factories?
AsylumMoon on
Supply chain is one of the most fundamental parts of manufacturing.
For example, the reason that computer processors aren’t made in America isn’t just because cheap labor in Taiwan, it’s also because America completely lacks the supply chain, super advanced equipment, and expertise required to make them.
You can’t tariff your way into Americas producing chips without solving ALL of the other problems first.
Maybe if we had the fabs, the supply chain, the expertise, and the workforce then you could tariff (I guess?) to make US production competitive.
But that’s assuming Trump’s goal is to create US manufacturing when the actual goal is to destroy the economy.
turb0_encapsulator on
Who are you gonna believe, the manufacturers themselves, or a bunch of Wall Street, real estate, and crypto bros who have never stepped foot in a factory?
bastard-harrier on
I think Trump accidentally told the truth when he said that manufacturing will return to the US. It’s just going to be in a post-Trump, post-recession world, under Europe and/or China’s terms and not ours.
The first world is always looking for people desperate enough to make their clothes, toys, and assorted bits and parts for them as cheaply, efficiently, and for the lowest pay possible, and the current regime is doing a great job at engineering American dependency on the rest of the world going forward by destroying all of our bargaining chips and valuable assets.
Buck7698 on
Trump has no idea what manufacturing is.
Traditional-Purpose2 on
I am almost willing to bet good money that what he is doing to the USA is *exactly* how he ran his businesses.
And not only that, he really is ignorant. I don’t mean stupid. I mean incapable of grasping a new concept in any way because he learned *one* way, and that is the *only* way it can be done. There are no neural pathways to be created here. There is no synapse firing there. It is not biologically possible for him to maintain a new or complex thing.
And because of all of that, his family or handlers or parents or whoever was in charge of teaching him things and then correcting deviant behavior, fucked off and let him do whatever he wanted and then let him fail, over and over. And not once did anyone tell him how massive and epic of a fuck up he really is. He’s never been told no, and people go out of their way to force it on everyone else.
And America gave this man a job, twice.
guzhogi on
I find it funny/sad that the same people who shout “America First!” are so damn against the cost of putting America first
ricardocaliente on
This is what happens when the uneducated get to run things. I don’t really care how condescending or mean this sounds. I’m so over giving these people the benefit of the doubt, accepting they have different beliefs, or giving their ideas a chance. They’re dumb, their ideas are dumb, and their “leaders” are grifters who have tricked them into thinking they’re their friends… because they’re so dumb…
Like if you’re so mad you can’t make good money doing god knows what and you hate that “liberal, college-educated” people get to live in the fancy cities, work from home, and have good wages then GO TO SCHOOL AND BETTER YOURSELF LIKE THEY DID instead of trying to cut everyone down to your level. I’m just so over it.
xibeno9261 on
Aren’t the tariffs supposed to bring manufacturing back to America? What happened?
juiceboxedhero on
Anyone with any sense already knew this. How the fuck do you build when the materials required are from the countries you’ve declared a trade war with?
This is why companies use change management for big shifts instead of the rug pull shit he’s doing and did with DOGE as well. If we wanted manufacturing back in the states that’s a mutli-year endeavor, not a wave of the wand. What a genius businessman who is good at businessing!
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„We just got to wait out the recession, then he’s going to make us all rich. It’s 4D chess not even economists understand“ – typical MAGA
The art of the deal. He didn’t bankrupt numerous casinos for nothing.
It’s laughable that anyone thinks manufacturing is coming back to a services economy.
Even if it happened, robots/AI would run the lines, not humans who need breaks, salaries, health care, pensions, etc.
So pathetically gullible maga was.
You mean Trump doesn’t understand how tariffs work economically? Especially since it’s about him and his pocketbook, not you, me, and the future of America. He doesn’t care as long as it helps him.
It’s like, all the shit you need to buy to build a factory comes from foreign nations, all of which have massive tariffs. Fucking imbeciles.
Building factories in the US detracts from quarterly driven shareholder value.
Funnelling the same money that would be used to build factories into stock buy backs? Increases quarterly shareholder value.
If your a C level or Board whose comp plan is heavily weighted on equity?
US corps embraced off sharing 30+ years ago… To improve shareholder value by eliminating high cost US labor.
US Corporations have never, ever embraced long-term planning or goals.
What Trump and his fans don’t understand is that his trade wars won’t help the American people.
Either we pay more because of import tariffs or we pay more because of higher domestic manufacturing costs. And even if the production is brought to the US, it’ll mean lower production volume because it’ll be too expensive to export those goods to other countries. Demand here won’t decrease, but supply will decrease, resulting in even higher prices.
1. He’s a buffoon who is high on his own inflated ego. 2. He’s lived his whole life in a social, financial and family business bubble. 3. His “businessman” skills are limited because of #2 and because the Trump Organization is hundreds of paper companies with maybe a few dozen employees in total. 4. Those businesses have never involved retail or manufacturing. An example of Dunning-Kruger run amok, he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. 5. No one has ever told him “No!”
I work for a company whose revenue comes primarily from manufacturing, >75% of which is done in the US. Our response to the tariffs has been to ramp down US manufacturing and ramp up in China and Europe to match our customer base.
I would say this is an unforeseen consequence, but I don’t think anyone looked in advanced.
Killing investment is science and technology. Killing investment in scalable energy. Killing education. Killing immigration. Killing the supply chain. Killing the economy.
It doesn’t seem like they would have enough people willing to take the jobs anyway. Not with Trump hurting unions so much.
All we have to do is build the factories that build the parts that we use to build factories.
– MAGA
Forget opening factories, you can’t even plan production runs in existing factories if your supply chain runs in to China.
It’s ironic that to address the issue of the U.S. outsourcing manufacturing and paying others to produce cheap goods, the solution is to make everything more expensive domestically. So now, we pay more and get less, and somehow that’s supposed to make us better off?
He’s also made it impossible for me, personally, to ever get ahead financially before I hit retirement age. My adult life has been a series of Republican-led recessions, and fuck you Donnie for causing yet another bump in the road. Motherfucker won’t even live to see the results of his bullshit. This whole presidency is consequence free for the asshole
Honestly, I think that was the plan. I really think he has set out to destroy the US economy.
So. Much. Winning!
Biden strikes again /s
He is beyond stupid, well into incompetent. Does he think factories just pop up instantly, along with trained workers? He is going to fuck up the economy so bad, it will take the next 3 presidents to fix it.
Possible, not probable.
That’s because all this is performative… it was NEVER intended to actually get manufacturing back etc…
Something people to fail to realize is that the US simply lacks the ability to support domestic manufacturer.
Let’s say I have an idea for an electronic. I can go to Schenzen China where there are plants ready to work, employees trained, engineers to help design, and a logical way to ship it by sea and air without any unnecessarily delay or red tape. If we need raw parts just about everything is available in the city. Any problems can be smoothed over by talking to a local official as the government in China is insanely business friendly apart from IP theft but I don’t think the US protects IP anyways.
If you thought for a second that donald fucking trump of all people was going bring manufacturing back to the U.S after its been gone for decades, you need professional help
None of this was ever about opening factories in the US. The stunning apathy behind that poster and its made-up numbers demonstrates how little they care about even having a plan. It’s just a way for Trump to shake down nations and corporations for bribes. We need to stop pretending this was ever about anything else.
A factory can cost billions. The US is unstable with an unpredictable ruler who rules by tantrums. The risk is off the charts. No company will build. They will tell Trump they are opening a trillion factories. Then drag out the planning until Trump is gone.
tldr; Can’t manufacture here because all the raw materials also have tariffs, making it too expensive. Additionally, the tariffs come and go so quickly, no one can form a business plan based on tariffs that might disappear at any moment based on Trump’s whims.
Been in manufacturing my whole life… Folks don’t get all the automation and machinery used comes from global part suppliers. And even then… When the factory is complete… It’s mostly automated.
I still ask this question of every republican willing to talk politics with me: „Would you rather your children work in a mine / factory or in an office / at home?“ They all say at in an office, and I say well why are we trying to bring back all of these factory jobs then? Somehow it still never clicks for them. Its always how their lives are different and only their children deserve education and good jobs. The only good way to bring manufacturing back to the US is slowly, and through massive amounts of automation that has very low job yield.
The U.S. has about 4% unemployment rate. How are they supposed to man all these factories?
Supply chain is one of the most fundamental parts of manufacturing.
For example, the reason that computer processors aren’t made in America isn’t just because cheap labor in Taiwan, it’s also because America completely lacks the supply chain, super advanced equipment, and expertise required to make them.
You can’t tariff your way into Americas producing chips without solving ALL of the other problems first.
Maybe if we had the fabs, the supply chain, the expertise, and the workforce then you could tariff (I guess?) to make US production competitive.
But that’s assuming Trump’s goal is to create US manufacturing when the actual goal is to destroy the economy.
Who are you gonna believe, the manufacturers themselves, or a bunch of Wall Street, real estate, and crypto bros who have never stepped foot in a factory?
I think Trump accidentally told the truth when he said that manufacturing will return to the US. It’s just going to be in a post-Trump, post-recession world, under Europe and/or China’s terms and not ours.
The first world is always looking for people desperate enough to make their clothes, toys, and assorted bits and parts for them as cheaply, efficiently, and for the lowest pay possible, and the current regime is doing a great job at engineering American dependency on the rest of the world going forward by destroying all of our bargaining chips and valuable assets.
Trump has no idea what manufacturing is.
I am almost willing to bet good money that what he is doing to the USA is *exactly* how he ran his businesses.
And not only that, he really is ignorant. I don’t mean stupid. I mean incapable of grasping a new concept in any way because he learned *one* way, and that is the *only* way it can be done. There are no neural pathways to be created here. There is no synapse firing there. It is not biologically possible for him to maintain a new or complex thing.
And because of all of that, his family or handlers or parents or whoever was in charge of teaching him things and then correcting deviant behavior, fucked off and let him do whatever he wanted and then let him fail, over and over. And not once did anyone tell him how massive and epic of a fuck up he really is. He’s never been told no, and people go out of their way to force it on everyone else.
And America gave this man a job, twice.
I find it funny/sad that the same people who shout “America First!” are so damn against the cost of putting America first
This is what happens when the uneducated get to run things. I don’t really care how condescending or mean this sounds. I’m so over giving these people the benefit of the doubt, accepting they have different beliefs, or giving their ideas a chance. They’re dumb, their ideas are dumb, and their “leaders” are grifters who have tricked them into thinking they’re their friends… because they’re so dumb…
Like if you’re so mad you can’t make good money doing god knows what and you hate that “liberal, college-educated” people get to live in the fancy cities, work from home, and have good wages then GO TO SCHOOL AND BETTER YOURSELF LIKE THEY DID instead of trying to cut everyone down to your level. I’m just so over it.
Aren’t the tariffs supposed to bring manufacturing back to America? What happened?
Anyone with any sense already knew this. How the fuck do you build when the materials required are from the countries you’ve declared a trade war with?
This is why companies use change management for big shifts instead of the rug pull shit he’s doing and did with DOGE as well. If we wanted manufacturing back in the states that’s a mutli-year endeavor, not a wave of the wand. What a genius businessman who is good at businessing!