Matt Gurney: Pierre Poilievre und die Konservativen müssen herausfinden, was sie versenkt hat. Es wird nicht so einfach sein, wie Sie vielleicht denken

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    1. FlyingPritchard on

      What sunk them was the complete collapse of the NDP, and the significant failure of the Greens and Bloc.

      Mostly caused by ineffective leadership of those parties, and a “rally round the flag” nationalist push caused by Trumps constant bullying.

    2. Idk I think they can form a minority government with PP at any point. Who knows how long this government will last. It’s a strong minority, but it’s still a minority.

      The message conservatives push is a compelling one. „The other guys waste your money!“ That will convince a lot of people. It’s always attractive.

    3. My armchair analysis: it’s the anti-„woke“ fixation. It’s creepy and sounds just like Trump and the US Republican party, and it’s the reason why NDP and Bloc voters and felt they needed to coalesce around the Liberals to keep the Conservatives out.

    4. Longtimelurker2575 on

      Pretty straightforward IMO, running a campaign based on criticism of the opposition instead of promoting alternatives and of course the bad fortune of Donald Trump being so vile to move the needle in basically every western nation from right to left (even more so in Canada with the 51st state bullshit). Also PP just comes across like an asshole.

    5. Pierre Poilievre sunk them. When 40% of people are voting for your party despite only like 28% having a positive view of your leader, it’s clear what the problem is. He built his brand on being insufferable and once Trudeau was gone, people realized they actually didn’t like him

    6. CaptainMagnets on

      I mean, it is pretty easy.

      Wanna know how I know?

      Because Carney is basically a progressive conservative and he got voted in.

    7. It’s super-easy. Canadians fully rejected their selected leader, their campaign director (Byrne) and their style of politics. Otherwise, how can you possibly explain blowing a 25% lead and not getting elected in your own riding? Canadians are sick of the apple-eating bullshit, the refusal to interact with Canadian media (or the acting like a petulant child the rare times he does) and the American language (woke-this, woke-that) and all the slogans. That’s why they didn’t form government.

      Well, that plus there was an actual adult running on the other side that has accomplished lots of things in life other than being a politician.

      EDIT: plus what confirms they are the party of CHANGE (their favorite slogan) more than selecting a guy that Canadians fired 6 years ago to temporarily replace the guy that Canadians fired more recently as the interim leader. /s

    8. Responsible_Lie_9978 on

      They have no interest in that. They’re going to run the same program on Carney that they ran on hillary and trudeau, and everybody else. It’s the IDU playbook, and they’re following it step by step.

      There’s no need for introspection if you can demonize your enemy. Just look at the nutty ideas already spreading amongst your Qonvoy relatives. They would much rather believe in conspiracies than compromise on anything. Frankly, they are much more interested in outrage than policy.

      Whatever Carney does, they’ll hate it.

    9. jakemoffsky on

      As much as I dislike their policies, the conservatives performed where they usually do when they get a majority. What sunk them is the total collapse of NDP support and Quebec holding their nose and voting liberal. Their best option is probably to start funding the NDP seeing as they financially just can’t compete anymore which probably isn’t even legal.

    10. Deadly-afterthoughts on

      The only thing that the CPC need to change They need to detach themselves from western grievance politics. the westerners can have their grievances, but they have no right to hijack the national right of center party.

      They don’t have to be an alternative liberal party and adopt liberal policies, but they need to behave like a national party instead of being regional.

    11. Burlington-bloke on

      PP sunk them! He’s thoroughly unlikable. I know die hard Tories who can’t stand him and voted for Carney instead. Carney is basically a Red Tory. The CPC needs to disband or split into two parties. The Progressive Conservatives, and the Reform party. PP, Scheer, and Harper are Reform. O’Toole is PC. The CPC lost 4 elections in a row. It seems sensible Canadians don’t want a hard right party. We don’t want a far left party either and that’s why the NDP did so poorly. The BQ shouldn’t be allowed in federal politics. Only people living in Quebec can vote for them. I like Blanchette and I think he would make a good Liberal leader. If everyone who voted BQ had voted Liberal, the Liberals would have had a majority.

    12. They were still riding that wave that would normally have put them into office, but the truth of the matter and most likely the largest reason is they ran into a competent opponent at the right time (for voters) and people were really willing to give Carney a chance regardless of how many slogans and „but doesn’t everything suck?!?“ speeches Pierre could give.

    13. Dangerous-Bee-5688 on

      Lots of angles to this one.

      * Scaring the shit out of NDP voters to the point they rallied behind the Liberals
      * Not meeting the moment during a surge in nationalism due to Trump’s tariffs
      * Alienating women voters with „biological clock“ type comments and courting the manospher
      * Unlikable leader persona and inability to pivot (creepy Laura Stone comments, the apple stunt, etc.)
      * Competent opposition who isn’t the guy you’ve been railing against for 10 years
      * Danielle Smith
      * Jenni Byrne pissing off Premier Staff in NS and Ontario to the extent it spills into the public

      Plenty more, I’m sure.

    14. Great look by Gurney, getting to the heart of the problem: it’s not that the Conservative campaign failed to meet the benchmarks and goals that a reasonable campaign should set for itself.

      It won more and a higher percentage of the vote than the party ever has.

      It improved its support across the whole country.

      It forced the Overton window in its direction.

      It seized a demographic advantage.

      It solidified a massive fundraising advantage.

      It crushed a nascent but serious threat on its right flank from the PPC.

      It took more seats from the Liberals and NDP than the other way around.

      It set itself up against a Liberal government that can only last as long as people who frequently vote BQ and identify as Quebec nationalists maintain their interest in voting Liberal. That’s…. not a comfortable position if you’re the LPC.

      But it still lost – albeit narrowly – because of how their approach influenced the decisions of voters who opposed them.

      Still, there’s good reason to believe that staying the course has a good chance of delivering a victory.

      The people who voted Conservative are people who had intended to do so for an average of two or so years. They were committed voters, the vast majority of whom stayed with the party, even a political earthquake upended everything. The Conservatives appear only to have lost voters who had come over to the CPC in the month before the election, dropping from a peak of 44% in polls to a final result of 41.3% – basically within MOE of their peak and where they were pretty much on average for all of 2024.

      On the other hand, a lot of Liberal voters are people who only decided to vote Liberal within a month or so of doing so in extremely unusual and emotionally charged circumstances. They had longstanding reasons for opposing the Liberals before then, and probably will be reminded of them as the Liberals roll out an agenda their prior parties opposed and have to make extremely hard choices in the face of American pressure through their tariffs, security threats, and disinfo ops and a global recession. Such decisions can never please everyone, and lots of people are going to be disappointed that *their* priority wasn’t given top billing when funding triage is set up.

      So Gurney hits the nail on the head: how likely is it that this new Liberal coalition will hold up? If the NDP and BQ bounce back, which history suggests should be likely, the CPC is made in the shade. If not…. this could end messily for them.

      Also, moderating is not without risk. As Scheer and O’Toole discovered very much the hard way, the right populist flank is always willing to make a split if it feels its no longer driving its own bus. A new Bernier-style threat and/or caucus revolt, like what happened to O’Toole, are very possible if the leadership „overcompensates“.

      While I personally hope they lose badly, regardless of the path they take, its an interesting exercise in political strategy.

      EDIT: This is wild, Poilievre won a bigger share of the Ontario vote than *Doug Ford did in the last provincial election!* The entire dynamic of the province is shaped by NDP vs. Liberal.

    15. bandersnatching on

      … the toxicity of the CPC leadership, their lack of vision and talent, and their incompetence is why they lost.

      What won’t be easy, is unseating the people who are the cause; Poilievre and his minions. But unless they do, they will be out for another decade.

    16. It’s not hard. Drop the MAGA emulation and become a proper Conservative party again. Believe in science again. Stop demonizing immigrants and non-straight people.

    17. wicket-wally on

      My thoughts are that it’s a combination of things. He barely said anything about trump or the threat of 51st state. Never having a real job, but trying to act like he understands blue collar workers. The dumb slogans. Not allowing journalists to ask questions while he was campaigning. He couldn’t let go of fighting Trudeau after he stepped down

    18. To understand the CPC’s dilemma look at the UK. Reform crushed it in local council elections, and some polls have Reform leading both Labour and the Tories. This has some commentators to predict the demise of the British Tories, one of the modern democratic era’s oldest parties.

      Canadian Conservatives must be worried about the right-wing fringe swallowing them.

      I am claiming their strategy is effective or working, but it’s a major considération and one which favours maintaining Poilievre as leader.

    19. TurnipAutomatic9233 on

      Genuine question, how hard is it for the CPC to get a candidate that is not a career politician? If mark carney ran for the CPC, we’d have one of the strongest majorities in recent CPC history 

    20. BlueEyesBlueMoon on

      One issue killed him: his refusal to defend Canada from Tr*mp’s annexation threats. Nothing else killed the CPC lead. PP was a smarmy weasel with a 20 point lead and Canada was ready to give him the biggest majority since Mulroney. When Canadians saw him dither and dodge, rather that say the easy thing, we all knew he would sell us out.

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