Who even wants to hold on to this type of tech? What good has come from any of these food delivery platforms?
ljh013 on
I agree that UK companies being sold to the US is a general concern, but nobody is going to be mourning the loss of Deliveroo. They’ve never made any real money, and they only exist still because they worked out how to get immigrants without passports to ride bikes for poverty wages.
Being sold off to a larger takeaway service was an inevitability for them.
Traffodil on
Presumably door dash will want to recover some of the money they spent here quite soon.
Price increases and longer waits for food incoming.
LauraPhilps7654 on
These companies are nothing to be proud of: they’re highly explorative.
Žižek makes the argument about how deviously ingenious these sorts of companies are from a late capitalist perspective. You count as self-employed and compete with other riders for jobs—so there’s no possibility of solidarity, mutual support, or job security. Precarity is built into the system.
psrandom on
This is the nature of the business. These companies are facilitators, not innovators. Each country has 2 to 3 Deliveroo type companies that all offer same things.
The only way for them to deliver shareholder value is to expland operations while keepings costs low. Best way to do it is to merge with other company doing the same thing. That way, the cost of maintaining and developing code is reduced.
NVision92 on
Enshitification incoming
Not that I used deliveroo much anyway
TeaComprehensive9821 on
Judging from all these comments. It seems I was the only person that liked using them.
Their refund policy is really good and normally, with the offers, the price is better than in store
FollowingExtension90 on
Who’s the vampire that’s sucking British blood again?
Automatic_Sun_5554 on
I still don’t understand the economics of these tech startups.
Deliveroo lost £30m EBITDA in H1 of 2021 – £100m statutory loss which includes depreciation. It had a bigger loss in H1 the previous year of £128m, so for those 2 years alone, they lost £450m.
Until the last set of results, they lost £30m EBITDA so safe to assume that was £85m stat loss per half year, adding £170m for the year and and the year before that let’s assume the same.
So things a business that since 2020 has lost £800m. Not sure how long it’s been going, but losses that the I Beatles have had to provide cash support for would have been bigger earlier.
I’ve not looked this up, but it’s entirely possible that the £2.9b only just covers the net investment to get to that point.
And it’s a huge risk because someone has now paid £2.9b for a business that is making a positive cash flow of £3m per annum. It’s a 0.1% return.
With rates as low as they can go for riders and the market competition, there is little to increase this.
How long is it before there is a realization that someone is left holding the baby and with no way of making it profitable, there is a huge backdraft down the investment pipe.
newtoallofthis2 on
Will never forget Amazon’s short lived food delivery service – was only launched around central London and had a 30min delivery guarantee, otherwise you got a load of money back (can’t remember exactly but think was like 20 quid).
Sat in my office in Old Street ordering lunch from the furthest place on the map and basically ate for free for a week or two until they figured it out
Good times.
SojournerInThisVale on
> big firms
Not a big firm, not a FTSE 100 company. It’s not the big firms we can’t hold onto, it’s the smaller and medium sized ones getting snapped up
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Who even wants to hold on to this type of tech? What good has come from any of these food delivery platforms?
I agree that UK companies being sold to the US is a general concern, but nobody is going to be mourning the loss of Deliveroo. They’ve never made any real money, and they only exist still because they worked out how to get immigrants without passports to ride bikes for poverty wages.
Being sold off to a larger takeaway service was an inevitability for them.
Presumably door dash will want to recover some of the money they spent here quite soon.
Price increases and longer waits for food incoming.
These companies are nothing to be proud of: they’re highly explorative.
Žižek makes the argument about how deviously ingenious these sorts of companies are from a late capitalist perspective. You count as self-employed and compete with other riders for jobs—so there’s no possibility of solidarity, mutual support, or job security. Precarity is built into the system.
This is the nature of the business. These companies are facilitators, not innovators. Each country has 2 to 3 Deliveroo type companies that all offer same things.
The only way for them to deliver shareholder value is to expland operations while keepings costs low. Best way to do it is to merge with other company doing the same thing. That way, the cost of maintaining and developing code is reduced.
Enshitification incoming
Not that I used deliveroo much anyway
Judging from all these comments. It seems I was the only person that liked using them.
Their refund policy is really good and normally, with the offers, the price is better than in store
Who’s the vampire that’s sucking British blood again?
I still don’t understand the economics of these tech startups.
Deliveroo lost £30m EBITDA in H1 of 2021 – £100m statutory loss which includes depreciation. It had a bigger loss in H1 the previous year of £128m, so for those 2 years alone, they lost £450m.
Until the last set of results, they lost £30m EBITDA so safe to assume that was £85m stat loss per half year, adding £170m for the year and and the year before that let’s assume the same.
So things a business that since 2020 has lost £800m. Not sure how long it’s been going, but losses that the I Beatles have had to provide cash support for would have been bigger earlier.
I’ve not looked this up, but it’s entirely possible that the £2.9b only just covers the net investment to get to that point.
And it’s a huge risk because someone has now paid £2.9b for a business that is making a positive cash flow of £3m per annum. It’s a 0.1% return.
With rates as low as they can go for riders and the market competition, there is little to increase this.
How long is it before there is a realization that someone is left holding the baby and with no way of making it profitable, there is a huge backdraft down the investment pipe.
Will never forget Amazon’s short lived food delivery service – was only launched around central London and had a 30min delivery guarantee, otherwise you got a load of money back (can’t remember exactly but think was like 20 quid).
Sat in my office in Old Street ordering lunch from the furthest place on the map and basically ate for free for a week or two until they figured it out
Good times.
> big firms
Not a big firm, not a FTSE 100 company. It’s not the big firms we can’t hold onto, it’s the smaller and medium sized ones getting snapped up