meanwhile people can’t afford to feed their families or themselves. disabled people are struggling and people are scared for future…but na lets make laws about fucken statues
PoggleRebecca on
Amazing how rapidly the government can react when they have a chance to harm poor, disabled, elderly and trans people and implementing… whatever the f*ck this is, but actually fixing the economy and protecting us from the ultra wealthy and the powerful is just a couple of election cycles away.
Longjumping_Stand889 on
I thought the [green mohican Churchill](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/740524.stm) was brilliant but it feels like it comes from a different place from where we are going.
Muffinlessandangry on
This will be done by declaring it a war memorial? On par with the cenotaph? Cooper said it should be treated with the same respect as „the other sacred war memorials“. Churchill is sacred?!?! He was a politician, since when are politicians sacred and above protest? What a fucking joke.
Luke_4686 on
This country’s fetishisation of Churchill is so bizarre
Soaring670 on
Might want to start jailing the pigeons that keep pooping on his head.
Head-Eye-6824 on
This is utterly ridiculous.
More to the point, it is utterly ridiculous that we have a list of specific statues and monuments on which it is illegal to climb. If its to be illegal to climb on one of them, it should be illegal to climb on all of them. That way you can establish simple and broad criteria that will apply i.e. any statue of a real person or monument to specific events, over a certain age or notably vulnerable to being climbed on.
From there an amount of selective policing can be applied. If the climber is swept up in the fervour of a notable sporting win or merely ensuring a traditional amount of road cone headwear is in place, a cautionary amount of finger wagging will apply. If the climber seeks to adorn the statue or monument in a manner that highlights a relevant problematic past but causes no damage, maybe an FPN. Cause damage, you get actual criminal damage charges. And if you manage to topple the statue and manage to transport it to a body of water sufficient to fully submerge it, you must win a local referendum on its removal else face a prison sentence.
Who-Goes-When on
Oh thank goodness, this is the biggest issue in the U.K. right now, the rampant climbing of a single statue in London. Not the cost of living, not inflation, not rise of fascism, not the rapidly deteriorating global climate, not climate change, not any of the thousands of other things that impact the common folk of the U.K., this one, single issue is the most important issue of them all.
Defiant-Yellow-2375 on
What’s the punishment? „We will bite them on the features.“
techbear72 on
Great. Now I want to climb a statue of Winston Churchill.
Ninja_icecream on
Every time a new law is passed to address behaviour like this we lose another small part of ourselves.
Society, and its leadership has and is failing to instill the appropriate social values in our population.
We should all be dealing with anti social behaviour BEFORE it becomes a problem, and be empowered to do so, otherwise it becomes the job of the police to manage much more serious consequences.
Antisocial behaviour is in my view a bit like toddlers with disinterested parents and too little to keep them occupied.
Surely as a society we can be good parents to everyone, and create enough work with decent wages to keep us all gainfully employed.
That, again in my view, is the job of the government… To lead that endeavour.
Educate, don’t criminalise.
Klossomfawn on
What is it with redditors thinking that you can only create one law at a time.
Crashball_Centre on
Performative nonsense to appeal to Reform voters. The acts listed in the article are already offences, they are not comparable to charging someone with simply climbing a statue.
Ill_Refrigerator_593 on
Passing legislation is not cheap, would it not be cheaper to have the statue greased down every so often?
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meanwhile people can’t afford to feed their families or themselves. disabled people are struggling and people are scared for future…but na lets make laws about fucken statues
Amazing how rapidly the government can react when they have a chance to harm poor, disabled, elderly and trans people and implementing… whatever the f*ck this is, but actually fixing the economy and protecting us from the ultra wealthy and the powerful is just a couple of election cycles away.
I thought the [green mohican Churchill](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/740524.stm) was brilliant but it feels like it comes from a different place from where we are going.
This will be done by declaring it a war memorial? On par with the cenotaph? Cooper said it should be treated with the same respect as „the other sacred war memorials“. Churchill is sacred?!?! He was a politician, since when are politicians sacred and above protest? What a fucking joke.
This country’s fetishisation of Churchill is so bizarre
Might want to start jailing the pigeons that keep pooping on his head.
This is utterly ridiculous.
More to the point, it is utterly ridiculous that we have a list of specific statues and monuments on which it is illegal to climb. If its to be illegal to climb on one of them, it should be illegal to climb on all of them. That way you can establish simple and broad criteria that will apply i.e. any statue of a real person or monument to specific events, over a certain age or notably vulnerable to being climbed on.
From there an amount of selective policing can be applied. If the climber is swept up in the fervour of a notable sporting win or merely ensuring a traditional amount of road cone headwear is in place, a cautionary amount of finger wagging will apply. If the climber seeks to adorn the statue or monument in a manner that highlights a relevant problematic past but causes no damage, maybe an FPN. Cause damage, you get actual criminal damage charges. And if you manage to topple the statue and manage to transport it to a body of water sufficient to fully submerge it, you must win a local referendum on its removal else face a prison sentence.
Oh thank goodness, this is the biggest issue in the U.K. right now, the rampant climbing of a single statue in London. Not the cost of living, not inflation, not rise of fascism, not the rapidly deteriorating global climate, not climate change, not any of the thousands of other things that impact the common folk of the U.K., this one, single issue is the most important issue of them all.
What’s the punishment? „We will bite them on the features.“
Great. Now I want to climb a statue of Winston Churchill.
Every time a new law is passed to address behaviour like this we lose another small part of ourselves.
Society, and its leadership has and is failing to instill the appropriate social values in our population.
We should all be dealing with anti social behaviour BEFORE it becomes a problem, and be empowered to do so, otherwise it becomes the job of the police to manage much more serious consequences.
Antisocial behaviour is in my view a bit like toddlers with disinterested parents and too little to keep them occupied.
Surely as a society we can be good parents to everyone, and create enough work with decent wages to keep us all gainfully employed.
That, again in my view, is the job of the government… To lead that endeavour.
Educate, don’t criminalise.
What is it with redditors thinking that you can only create one law at a time.
Performative nonsense to appeal to Reform voters. The acts listed in the article are already offences, they are not comparable to charging someone with simply climbing a statue.
Passing legislation is not cheap, would it not be cheaper to have the statue greased down every so often?