Sen. Bernie Sanders has faith that the American people understand what “oligarchy” means, defending his use of the term from fellow Democrats Sen. Elise Slotkin and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who have argued that it doesn’t resonate with voters.
I disagree. Majority of Americans are dumb. It’s due to erosion of public education and misinformation leading to low voter turnout. If they weren’t dumb, we wouldn’t be in this shit situation.
enlamadre666 on
That’s one thing he’s definitely wrong about it…
GaimeGuy on
yes they are.
a_little_hazel_nuts on
Trump campaignedand said a bunch of terrible shit and he got elected. People are so miserable that as long as the people they decided to hate are treated like shit, they’re happy. I do not know how to shake it in to Republicans heads that giving all the money to the rich is bad economics.
Asleepingin on
we very clearly are.
OhioValleyCat on
I think oligarchy is the wrong word. It is more accurately a plutocracy. An oligarchy is just rule by a few people, but a plutocracy is ruled specifically by the wealthy. America is a plutocracy with all the influence of money in politics and a billionaire President Trump who is letting a billionaire (Elon Musk) be the Chief Operations Officer.
Scarlettail on
Sanders has the right message but not the right branding. Indeed, Americans are very dumb. The left really needs a slogan which is easy to understand and can be advertised all over the place, just like MAGA. There needs to be something supporters can say or show off to signal solidarity and advance the cause. Fight Oligarchy isn’t going to fit well on a bumper stick and isn’t catchy.
Notlookingsohot on
On the fence on this one.
I know what oligarchy is, the people in my circles mostly know what it is, and if not all you gotta say is „rule by the rich“ and they understand (and correctly notice that’s an apt description of how the current system behaves).
However, some people do just shut down when you use „fancy“ or „big“ words. And those people are not gonna respond well to a 9 letter 4 syllable word like „oligarchy“.
So you’re kinda caught between showing faith in the capabilities of the people and also trying to reach those that just do not mesh well with so called „big“ words.
Tainted_Bruh on
Lol no.
Bern is cool and all, but this is naively optimistic, or he’s trying to inspire via flattery.
mkt853 on
Kind of hard to take any source seriously when they get the names of people wrong. It’s Elissa Slotkin. Maybe they were thinking of Elise Stefanik, but that’s someone from a different party representing a different state.
mhouse2001 on
Sorry, just say „rich people“. That’s enough of a description for the average voter.
Rich_Housing971 on
cmon Bernie. Are you serious? If Americans weren’t dumb why is Trump in office again?
Eat_the_Rich1789 on
Oh Bernie baby, they are.
Talbaz on
Nah, Americans aren’t Dumb, they are not curious and don’t care to learn about what doesn’t affect them a majority of time. It is difficult when you need to put food on the table.
fatbunyip on
He probably needs a new prescription for those glasses to have a look around and see what’s going on…
ChibiSailorMercury on
Bless Sanders.
No, the people who are making less than 100K a year and voted Trump in don’t know what oligarchy means, otherwise they wouldn’t have voted for him.
It’s not that the Americans are stupid. It’s more like that personal exceptionalism and American exceptionalism hit gard. Find the country that isn’t negatively affected by alt-right algoriths on social media, propaganda, columnists and influencers who act as though they had as much weight as true journalists, etc. The U.S. is not unique in that regard. Are there a lot of uneducated people in the U.S.? Yeah but other countries aren’t exempt of uneducated people either. Y’all’s issue is that too many of you think they’re so goddamn special, untouchable, and „above it all“.
wonkalicious808 on
Trump won again in 2024.
Not everyone in America is dumb, obviously. But too many are.
TuffNutzes on
I know he’s just trying to play the good guy politician who gives the people the benefit of the doubt. I’m sure even he acknowledges that most of the MAGA cult are straight up morons.
Nature_Sad_27 on
No, they’re just dumb.
Forsaken_Hermit on
They voted for Trump.
Yes they are.
Moist-Cow-6506 on
They’re pretty dumb
BestAd6480 on
By 2028 he and AOC will just bow back down to the DNC elite (that bows to the oligarchs). The rich gets richer. The revolution is dead.
Y0___0Y on
Bernie’s greatest stumbling block is believing Americans are smart.
If he was not a self-proclaimed socialist, he would have served two presidential terms by now.
He should just have socialist policies and call it “gooder stuff for big good Americans”
parkerplotkin on
They were dumb enough to vote for an oligarch.
Pegasus_digits on
I like Bernie and agree with him on many things but no, my fellow citizens have proven time and time again they couldn’t get themselves out of a wet paper bag if need be.
PapaGilbatron on
“Oh yes they are!” Or is it we?
TdrdenCO11 on
I think maybe 25% of americans could loosely define that word
ejp1082 on
Bernie I love you but have you *met* Americans?
What in the world leads you to think they’re not dumb, let alone that they understand the definition of a word with as many syllables as „oligarchy“?
PFAS_All_Star on
Who’s gonna tell him?
SuperBackup9000 on
Nah, no way. People only know what that words means nowadays because it was a buzzword and used nonstop a month or two ago, but even then, the average person who does “know what it means” will likely think that it’s exclusive to the rich even though it’s not, like the case with Iran where the power lies in the hands of the clerics.
Cryhunter059 on
Well, some Americans do and aren’t… Bunch of people jumped on the pro-tariff bandwagon that didn’t understand the basic concept of how they work (who actually ends up paying them).
Boopoopadoope on
Actually Bernie they are, very much so.
Mr_Meng on
The majority of American voters at the very least decided they were okay enough with a convicted felon and rapist who already tried to end US democracy after he lost the first time and is one of if not the most prolific liar in US history becoming president over a competent but imperfect politician to not vote against the rapist. Sorry but that’s pretty fucking dumb.
Moon_Noodle on
I don’t think it’s the winning message but it’s better than Slotkins‘ dumbass „weak and woke“ shit.
therealvladimir_0 on
50% are either dumb or ambivalent.
highroller_rob on
When a real estate developer comes in and bulldozes a community that’s been there for centuries, you know what oligarchy means. Developers kill citizens. They are the oligarchy
bigt503 on
I mean..:: look who the president is…. If Americans weren’t dumb would we be in this situation…
Erasmus_Tycho on
I donno Bernie, many of our neighbors voted for it.
Romano16 on
Americans don’t understand how tariffs work so I highly doubt they understand oligarchy.
zombie_girraffe on
One of the few things I disagree with Bernie about. The average American is barely literate, willfully ignorant and has the emotional maturity of a toddler.
ReddyMcRedditorface on
False.
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***From Rolling Stone’s Peter Wade:***
Sen. Bernie Sanders has faith that the American people understand what “oligarchy” means, defending his use of the term from fellow Democrats Sen. Elise Slotkin and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who have argued that it doesn’t resonate with voters.
Watch and read more: [https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-americans-arent-dumb-oligarchy-1235326101/](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-americans-arent-dumb-oligarchy-1235326101/)
I disagree. Majority of Americans are dumb. It’s due to erosion of public education and misinformation leading to low voter turnout. If they weren’t dumb, we wouldn’t be in this shit situation.
That’s one thing he’s definitely wrong about it…
yes they are.
Trump campaignedand said a bunch of terrible shit and he got elected. People are so miserable that as long as the people they decided to hate are treated like shit, they’re happy. I do not know how to shake it in to Republicans heads that giving all the money to the rich is bad economics.
we very clearly are.
I think oligarchy is the wrong word. It is more accurately a plutocracy. An oligarchy is just rule by a few people, but a plutocracy is ruled specifically by the wealthy. America is a plutocracy with all the influence of money in politics and a billionaire President Trump who is letting a billionaire (Elon Musk) be the Chief Operations Officer.
Sanders has the right message but not the right branding. Indeed, Americans are very dumb. The left really needs a slogan which is easy to understand and can be advertised all over the place, just like MAGA. There needs to be something supporters can say or show off to signal solidarity and advance the cause. Fight Oligarchy isn’t going to fit well on a bumper stick and isn’t catchy.
On the fence on this one.
I know what oligarchy is, the people in my circles mostly know what it is, and if not all you gotta say is „rule by the rich“ and they understand (and correctly notice that’s an apt description of how the current system behaves).
However, some people do just shut down when you use „fancy“ or „big“ words. And those people are not gonna respond well to a 9 letter 4 syllable word like „oligarchy“.
So you’re kinda caught between showing faith in the capabilities of the people and also trying to reach those that just do not mesh well with so called „big“ words.
Lol no.
Bern is cool and all, but this is naively optimistic, or he’s trying to inspire via flattery.
Kind of hard to take any source seriously when they get the names of people wrong. It’s Elissa Slotkin. Maybe they were thinking of Elise Stefanik, but that’s someone from a different party representing a different state.
Sorry, just say „rich people“. That’s enough of a description for the average voter.
cmon Bernie. Are you serious? If Americans weren’t dumb why is Trump in office again?
Oh Bernie baby, they are.
Nah, Americans aren’t Dumb, they are not curious and don’t care to learn about what doesn’t affect them a majority of time. It is difficult when you need to put food on the table.
He probably needs a new prescription for those glasses to have a look around and see what’s going on…
Bless Sanders.
No, the people who are making less than 100K a year and voted Trump in don’t know what oligarchy means, otherwise they wouldn’t have voted for him.
It’s not that the Americans are stupid. It’s more like that personal exceptionalism and American exceptionalism hit gard. Find the country that isn’t negatively affected by alt-right algoriths on social media, propaganda, columnists and influencers who act as though they had as much weight as true journalists, etc. The U.S. is not unique in that regard. Are there a lot of uneducated people in the U.S.? Yeah but other countries aren’t exempt of uneducated people either. Y’all’s issue is that too many of you think they’re so goddamn special, untouchable, and „above it all“.
Trump won again in 2024.
Not everyone in America is dumb, obviously. But too many are.
I know he’s just trying to play the good guy politician who gives the people the benefit of the doubt. I’m sure even he acknowledges that most of the MAGA cult are straight up morons.
No, they’re just dumb.
They voted for Trump.
Yes they are.
They’re pretty dumb
By 2028 he and AOC will just bow back down to the DNC elite (that bows to the oligarchs). The rich gets richer. The revolution is dead.
Bernie’s greatest stumbling block is believing Americans are smart.
If he was not a self-proclaimed socialist, he would have served two presidential terms by now.
He should just have socialist policies and call it “gooder stuff for big good Americans”
They were dumb enough to vote for an oligarch.
I like Bernie and agree with him on many things but no, my fellow citizens have proven time and time again they couldn’t get themselves out of a wet paper bag if need be.
“Oh yes they are!” Or is it we?
I think maybe 25% of americans could loosely define that word
Bernie I love you but have you *met* Americans?
What in the world leads you to think they’re not dumb, let alone that they understand the definition of a word with as many syllables as „oligarchy“?
Who’s gonna tell him?
Nah, no way. People only know what that words means nowadays because it was a buzzword and used nonstop a month or two ago, but even then, the average person who does “know what it means” will likely think that it’s exclusive to the rich even though it’s not, like the case with Iran where the power lies in the hands of the clerics.
Well, some Americans do and aren’t… Bunch of people jumped on the pro-tariff bandwagon that didn’t understand the basic concept of how they work (who actually ends up paying them).
Actually Bernie they are, very much so.
The majority of American voters at the very least decided they were okay enough with a convicted felon and rapist who already tried to end US democracy after he lost the first time and is one of if not the most prolific liar in US history becoming president over a competent but imperfect politician to not vote against the rapist. Sorry but that’s pretty fucking dumb.
I don’t think it’s the winning message but it’s better than Slotkins‘ dumbass „weak and woke“ shit.
50% are either dumb or ambivalent.
When a real estate developer comes in and bulldozes a community that’s been there for centuries, you know what oligarchy means. Developers kill citizens. They are the oligarchy
I mean..:: look who the president is…. If Americans weren’t dumb would we be in this situation…
I donno Bernie, many of our neighbors voted for it.
Americans don’t understand how tariffs work so I highly doubt they understand oligarchy.
One of the few things I disagree with Bernie about. The average American is barely literate, willfully ignorant and has the emotional maturity of a toddler.
False.