You love to hear it, glad Quebec is taking the lead on stuff like this. Practices like these are incompatible with our culture.
sokos on
In a way, how do you guarantee that it’s the person that’s supposed to be in class is the one in class? The person writing the test is the same person that wrote it 2 days ago.
I’m looking strictly practical perspective in scenarios where you need to know the people are who they supposed to be.
frostcanadian on
With all the issues in the education system in Quebec, this is what the Education Minister decides to put forward? I can’t wait for the CAQ to be kicked out and hopefully never reelected.
dom-mtl81 on
What a colossal waste of fucking time and abject nonsense.
I’m all for banning the „teaching“ of any one religion over another. I didn’t have that benefit when I was in school, so we all learned about how much Jesus loves us and all that shit.
But I do not give a single flying fuck if someone chooses to abide by their religious beliefs and wear a hijab, or a yarmulke, or a cross.
If the education minister wants to do something useful, he should find a way to pay teachers more and improve public education.
Enough-Radio-4825 on
I’m sure this will lead to a healthy debate in the comments on the English concept of secularism vs the French concept of laïcité….
sirploxdrake on
It was already banned by the „loi sur les services a visage a decouvert“. Not like there were many people that wear it to begin it (adult or children). The bigger issue is the ban on people taking vacation during non christian holidays and more generally extending the law to private home. The goverment want to enforce secularism inside people house and that digusting. Mind you they are still crucifix in public school.
Kevin4938 on
Another post today said that Montréal, the largest city in Quebec, is the most anti-Poilievre city in the country, yet we have this showing racism running rampant in the provincial government.
FragrantBear4111 on
Don’t sugar coat it, this is racism. This is a member of Government attempting to spread their own hate into the public sector.
Is it so hard to believe that people should have the freedom to express their religion, their belief? Wearing a veil, of any kind, does not impact you in any way. If the same rule is to apply then to all religions, not just Muslim religions, then the ban of Christian or Catholic religions should be banned as well in these public sectors/services.
*Rules for thee, but not more me*
Nitramite on
The headline specifically targets Muslim people as they may be targeted if they wear a full face veil, but the bill never mentions Muslims, it targets everyone. Here is a summary of what the bill adds
„The bill specifies that the public school system is founded on democratic values and Québec values, including the equality of women and men, as well as on State laicity, and entrusts to various resources the obligation to ensure compliance with those values and with State laicity within the school network.
The bill sets out the obligation for students to have their face uncovered when they are on the premises placed at the disposal of a school, a vocational training centre or adult education centre or a private educational institution. It also prescribes such an obligation for homeschooled children and their parents when any service is being provided to them by a school service centre. In addition, the bill imposes the obligation to have one’s face uncovered on any person required to provide services to students, when the person is providing those services, as well as on any person required to be in contact with students who is on the premises placed at the disposal of a school or a vocational training centre or adult education centre. Lastly, it imposes that obligation on the personnel members of educational institutions not accredited for the purposes of subsidies.
The bill also introduces the obligation for students to act in a manner respectful of the equality of women and men and to have conduct that is free of all forms of bullying and violence, in particular those motivated by racism or homophobia or targeting sexual orientation, sexual or gender identity, a handicap or a physical characteristic. To that end, the bill establishes that the rules of conduct, which schools and private educational institutions must adopt, are to prescribe those obligations, among other things. The bill sets out the obligation for vocational training centres and adult education centres to adopt such rules of conduct.
The bill extends the prohibition on wearing a religious symbol to members of a school service centre’s personnel as well as persons who provide services in accordance with a contract other than a contract of employment in certain circumstances. However, it provides that the prohibition does not apply to personnel members exercisinga function at the time the bill is introduced or to persons who have a contract in effect at the time this Act is assented to.“
I wish politicians would start introducing 1-2 page bills with fewer amendments so it would be harder for journalists to create sensational headlines and people would be able to go through a bill without wading through 24 pages of various amendments and paragraphs links.
I agree with the Bill in essence, asking for people to be respectful to the equality of men and women, but I also agree this stuff is really not a priority compared to other issues in education.
MagnificentGeneral on
Laicite is a good thing and I support it.
Why in the world should we allow something as regressive and misogynistic as the burqa? There is zero legitimate defense for its adoption. It always comes from a place of misogyny and control. Sometimes to free women one must help them escape for their own culture.
Just because Islamists support its adoption is not a legitimate reason, and in fact we should be like Tunisia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan which severely restrict the burqa/niqab or outright ban it.
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You love to hear it, glad Quebec is taking the lead on stuff like this. Practices like these are incompatible with our culture.
In a way, how do you guarantee that it’s the person that’s supposed to be in class is the one in class? The person writing the test is the same person that wrote it 2 days ago.
I’m looking strictly practical perspective in scenarios where you need to know the people are who they supposed to be.
With all the issues in the education system in Quebec, this is what the Education Minister decides to put forward? I can’t wait for the CAQ to be kicked out and hopefully never reelected.
What a colossal waste of fucking time and abject nonsense.
I’m all for banning the „teaching“ of any one religion over another. I didn’t have that benefit when I was in school, so we all learned about how much Jesus loves us and all that shit.
But I do not give a single flying fuck if someone chooses to abide by their religious beliefs and wear a hijab, or a yarmulke, or a cross.
If the education minister wants to do something useful, he should find a way to pay teachers more and improve public education.
I’m sure this will lead to a healthy debate in the comments on the English concept of secularism vs the French concept of laïcité….
It was already banned by the „loi sur les services a visage a decouvert“. Not like there were many people that wear it to begin it (adult or children). The bigger issue is the ban on people taking vacation during non christian holidays and more generally extending the law to private home. The goverment want to enforce secularism inside people house and that digusting. Mind you they are still crucifix in public school.
Another post today said that Montréal, the largest city in Quebec, is the most anti-Poilievre city in the country, yet we have this showing racism running rampant in the provincial government.
Don’t sugar coat it, this is racism. This is a member of Government attempting to spread their own hate into the public sector.
Is it so hard to believe that people should have the freedom to express their religion, their belief? Wearing a veil, of any kind, does not impact you in any way. If the same rule is to apply then to all religions, not just Muslim religions, then the ban of Christian or Catholic religions should be banned as well in these public sectors/services.
*Rules for thee, but not more me*
The headline specifically targets Muslim people as they may be targeted if they wear a full face veil, but the bill never mentions Muslims, it targets everyone. Here is a summary of what the bill adds
„The bill specifies that the public school system is founded on democratic values and Québec values, including the equality of women and men, as well as on State laicity, and entrusts to various resources the obligation to ensure compliance with those values and with State laicity within the school network.
The bill sets out the obligation for students to have their face uncovered when they are on the premises placed at the disposal of a school, a vocational training centre or adult education centre or a private educational institution. It also prescribes such an obligation for homeschooled children and their parents when any service is being provided to them by a school service centre. In addition, the bill imposes the obligation to have one’s face uncovered on any person required to provide services to students, when the person is providing those services, as well as on any person required to be in contact with students who is on the premises placed at the disposal of a school or a vocational training centre or adult education centre. Lastly, it imposes that obligation on the personnel members of educational institutions not accredited for the purposes of subsidies.
The bill also introduces the obligation for students to act in a manner respectful of the equality of women and men and to have conduct that is free of all forms of bullying and violence, in particular those motivated by racism or homophobia or targeting sexual orientation, sexual or gender identity, a handicap or a physical characteristic. To that end, the bill establishes that the rules of conduct, which schools and private educational institutions must adopt, are to prescribe those obligations, among other things. The bill sets out the obligation for vocational training centres and adult education centres to adopt such rules of conduct.
The bill extends the prohibition on wearing a religious symbol to members of a school service centre’s personnel as well as persons who provide services in accordance with a contract other than a contract of employment in certain circumstances. However, it provides that the prohibition does not apply to personnel members exercisinga function at the time the bill is introduced or to persons who have a contract in effect at the time this Act is assented to.“
Full bill can be found here at the bottom of the Page: [https://www.assnat.qc.ca/en/travaux-parlementaires/projets-loi/projet-loi-94-43-1.html](https://www.assnat.qc.ca/en/travaux-parlementaires/projets-loi/projet-loi-94-43-1.html)
I wish politicians would start introducing 1-2 page bills with fewer amendments so it would be harder for journalists to create sensational headlines and people would be able to go through a bill without wading through 24 pages of various amendments and paragraphs links.
I agree with the Bill in essence, asking for people to be respectful to the equality of men and women, but I also agree this stuff is really not a priority compared to other issues in education.
Laicite is a good thing and I support it.
Why in the world should we allow something as regressive and misogynistic as the burqa? There is zero legitimate defense for its adoption. It always comes from a place of misogyny and control. Sometimes to free women one must help them escape for their own culture.
Just because Islamists support its adoption is not a legitimate reason, and in fact we should be like Tunisia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan which severely restrict the burqa/niqab or outright ban it.