SS: In a very tense White House meeting with Trump and Vance constantly talking over Zelensky, Trump gave an ultimatum saying Zelensky needs to make a deal or the US will no longer aid Ukraine. There is a video of the conversation leading up to that moment [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yLZmRScnwy0).
Tha meeting went worse than I guess anyone could have expected it to be
LunchyPete on
This was such a pathetic and embarrassing encounter. Trump seems out of it, and so incredibly petty needing to take shots at Biden. JD is so incredibly transparently just sucking up to Trump, no backbone whatsoever in that child.
Zelensky was just trying to get a word in, but Vance was insisting Zelensky ought to be on his knees kissing toes and Trump followed Vance’s lead like the witless puppet he is. Obviously and rightfully so Zelensky doesn’t see it that way.
The US simply cannot be relied on at the moment, I really, really, *really* hope the EU gets it shit together and steps up.
TheWriterJosh on
I hope Trump rots in hell for eternity. He deserves nothing less.
markovianMC on
Trump and Vance played Zelenskyy, call me a conspiracy theorist but it was Trump’s plan all along the way – to NOT sign the deal which ultimately benefits Russia.
Ok-Peak- on
I was waiting for the outcome of this meeting during the whole day. I told my colleagues that I felt it was going to be a bad meeting… well, I didn’t expect it to be this bad. I guess I should have zero expectations for the coming years.
AIM-120-AMRAAM on
I just saw the full interview (or interrogation) and came here.
Absolute shits show lmao
This video will be taught to IR students for years as an example of how not to engage in diplomacy with a world leader.
Mad-o-wat on
Trump doing exactly the thing people voted him in for. There is no surprise here. What transpired is exactly what happens behind closed doors
thinker2501 on
Trump and Vance speaking to Zelensky as if he were a child was absolutely appalling behavior. This two out on an embarrassing and shameful display.
Nervous-Basis-1707 on
Trump and Vance bullying a president in front of press cameras is a low point in this administrations 2 months. Zelensky must realize he can’t keep the US on board even for a few more months.
I only wish he’d challenge them more directly after they berated him. Especially Vance, he doesn’t wanna litigate this in the Oval Office but bullies Zelensky and blows this whole thing out of proportion. What a pathetic VP
MSc_Debater on
This was not a serious meeting at all. Trump & Vance repeatedly humiliated Zelensky and derailed proceedings for some perceived benefit in domestic optics.
There’s little illusion of morality in geopolitics but this is an unprecedented low.
hmmokby on
For many years, perhaps never before have I seen a meeting held at the level of leaders open to the press far removed from diplomatic language.
If Zelensky went to the Kremlin, Putin would probably speak much more politely. If the US President and Vice President treat other countries‘ leaders like this in front of the press, what are they doing behind closed doors?
Zelensky has to make a big trip to Europe in the coming weeks. Lot of doors were already closed.
KopOut on
As an American, I hope Zelensky stops coming. I hope Europe comes in and helps Ukraine out, and I hope Ukraine is able to end the war and regain some or all of its territory. Not because I don’t want to help Ukraine, I do. But grovelling this megalomaniac is not going to help Ukraine or anyone else except Trump.
The absolute worst outcome possible would be for Zelensky to agree to give away minerals to the US and then have Russia just get most or all of what they want anyway. Trump is not interested in just peace. He is interested in extorting Ukraine because he thinks he has all the power. I don’t think that is true, but it is going to take European countries banding together to make that a reality.
Due-Resort-2699 on
Watching from Europe, I’m now convinced the United States is an enemy nation. I can see that country collapsing into civil war sooner rather later and honestly I think – for the rest of the world – it’ll be a good thing in the long term. The world’s strongest nation going full fascist is simply too much of a threat to allow to exist as a unified nation. The balkanisation of the US would be good for world peace (and blue states could certainly become allies of Europe)
eroltam92 on
Truly disgusting behavior, but what else do you expect from a pathetic pair of humans like Trump and Vance? It is hilarious to me how Trump is so focused on bullying everyone except Putin, who he constantly sucks up to. If he isn’t a Russian asset (knowingly or not), he’s doing an excellent job of playing one.
Hopefully Europe steps up wrt Ukraine
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SS: In a very tense White House meeting with Trump and Vance constantly talking over Zelensky, Trump gave an ultimatum saying Zelensky needs to make a deal or the US will no longer aid Ukraine. There is a video of the conversation leading up to that moment [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yLZmRScnwy0).
Edit: [Statement](https://t.co/wFkXJPCjVj) on the meeting put out by Vance.
Tha meeting went worse than I guess anyone could have expected it to be
This was such a pathetic and embarrassing encounter. Trump seems out of it, and so incredibly petty needing to take shots at Biden. JD is so incredibly transparently just sucking up to Trump, no backbone whatsoever in that child.
Zelensky was just trying to get a word in, but Vance was insisting Zelensky ought to be on his knees kissing toes and Trump followed Vance’s lead like the witless puppet he is. Obviously and rightfully so Zelensky doesn’t see it that way.
The US simply cannot be relied on at the moment, I really, really, *really* hope the EU gets it shit together and steps up.
I hope Trump rots in hell for eternity. He deserves nothing less.
Trump and Vance played Zelenskyy, call me a conspiracy theorist but it was Trump’s plan all along the way – to NOT sign the deal which ultimately benefits Russia.
I was waiting for the outcome of this meeting during the whole day. I told my colleagues that I felt it was going to be a bad meeting… well, I didn’t expect it to be this bad. I guess I should have zero expectations for the coming years.
I just saw the full interview (or interrogation) and came here.
Absolute shits show lmao
This video will be taught to IR students for years as an example of how not to engage in diplomacy with a world leader.
Trump doing exactly the thing people voted him in for. There is no surprise here. What transpired is exactly what happens behind closed doors
Trump and Vance speaking to Zelensky as if he were a child was absolutely appalling behavior. This two out on an embarrassing and shameful display.
Trump and Vance bullying a president in front of press cameras is a low point in this administrations 2 months. Zelensky must realize he can’t keep the US on board even for a few more months.
I only wish he’d challenge them more directly after they berated him. Especially Vance, he doesn’t wanna litigate this in the Oval Office but bullies Zelensky and blows this whole thing out of proportion. What a pathetic VP
This was not a serious meeting at all. Trump & Vance repeatedly humiliated Zelensky and derailed proceedings for some perceived benefit in domestic optics.
There’s little illusion of morality in geopolitics but this is an unprecedented low.
For many years, perhaps never before have I seen a meeting held at the level of leaders open to the press far removed from diplomatic language.
If Zelensky went to the Kremlin, Putin would probably speak much more politely. If the US President and Vice President treat other countries‘ leaders like this in front of the press, what are they doing behind closed doors?
Zelensky has to make a big trip to Europe in the coming weeks. Lot of doors were already closed.
As an American, I hope Zelensky stops coming. I hope Europe comes in and helps Ukraine out, and I hope Ukraine is able to end the war and regain some or all of its territory. Not because I don’t want to help Ukraine, I do. But grovelling this megalomaniac is not going to help Ukraine or anyone else except Trump.
The absolute worst outcome possible would be for Zelensky to agree to give away minerals to the US and then have Russia just get most or all of what they want anyway. Trump is not interested in just peace. He is interested in extorting Ukraine because he thinks he has all the power. I don’t think that is true, but it is going to take European countries banding together to make that a reality.
Watching from Europe, I’m now convinced the United States is an enemy nation. I can see that country collapsing into civil war sooner rather later and honestly I think – for the rest of the world – it’ll be a good thing in the long term. The world’s strongest nation going full fascist is simply too much of a threat to allow to exist as a unified nation. The balkanisation of the US would be good for world peace (and blue states could certainly become allies of Europe)
Truly disgusting behavior, but what else do you expect from a pathetic pair of humans like Trump and Vance? It is hilarious to me how Trump is so focused on bullying everyone except Putin, who he constantly sucks up to. If he isn’t a Russian asset (knowingly or not), he’s doing an excellent job of playing one.
Hopefully Europe steps up wrt Ukraine