Wie Sie vielleicht gehört haben, sind die USA nicht dagegen, uns daran zu hindern, unsere Waffen gegen Russland zu verwenden, selbst wenn wir angegriffen wurden. Dies ist mehr oder weniger das, was sie jetzt mit der Ukraine tun, wenn sie nicht zu ihrem Erpressplan falten: https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-access-starlink-internet-services-over-minerals-ay-2025-02-22/
Ist es zu spät, um den Kauf des F-35 zu kündigen? Es wurde ausgewählt, um uns Atomwaffen tragen zu können, aber das wird jetzt nie passieren. Darüber hinaus können einige Ausrüstungen von den USA deaktiviert werden, wenn sie wollten (GPS-Tasten, geben Sie keinen Code für Programmier-/Entsperren von Raketen an …).
Is it too late to cancel F-35 purchase?
byu/Krek_Tavis inbelgium
Von Krek_Tavis
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They probably could fuck with the F-35’s but at the same time if they did that it would completely wipe out their status as an arms exporter, which would nearly collapse their military industrial complex because the manufacturers live off of the exports.
Alienate Russia then the US? What a great plan of yours.
The reason we must take the F-35 is because the US will not adapt the [B61](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61-kernwapen) gravity bomb to be compatible with any European fighter jet.
The entire reason Belgium has the air force it has, is to fulfill its NATO mission of delivering those bombs to Russia in case of a nuclear conflict. Those bombs are not in Kleine-Brogel they say. Pinky swear they are not there. They say. (they of course are)
Therefore. F-35 it is.
Is this silly? Sure it is. Will our pilots survive such a mission? Of course not.
Another reason is because The Netherlands has the same NATO mission in that case, and also had to choose for the F-35 for the same reason. Belgium and The Netherlands will obviously (and already do) cooperate together with their air forces. To have two different planes to operate is too much overhead for a small country.
Well already a few are delivered to the training site in de US so whar about those then?
Canceling is just not a option anymore now. What we going to use then? We are already to far in the whole changing of everything.
If we reason like Trump we can cancel any time with no repercussions
We shouldn’t but we also shouldn’t buy more at this point.
Teo just anounced he wants to buy more.. always wondered why not eurofighter. In all aspects aside of one eurofighter is better.
Honestly cancel em and buy the newest griffins, way cheaper, cheaper to run, faster turnaround, and relatively locally produced.
Lets keep existing obligations to necessary minimum and invest heavily in euro-fighter that could arrive within 4-10 years from now.
First off the US can cut off GPS for anyone, GPS is based on us military satellites that they basically let the whole world use for free. This is why the ESA started developing Galileo as an alternative.
Second, we will need a lot more budget if we’re gonna use another fighter plane on top of the f35. Wasting budget isn’t the best wat to get to 2% GDP.
I don’t like Franken, but he put it right in De Afspraak yesterday. We’re fucked if the US fully drops us, and the f35 are the least of our worries. You could basically see on his face that he is genuinely afrade of that scenario.
If we were to switch to Griphen or Rafael. It will take years to rebuild the logistics and air component bases, and retrain pilots, support and maintenance. And that is best case scenario.
I’ve tried calling them, but their helpdesk isn’t responding. Maybe because it’s the weekend.
Like we say in kleurenwiezen „de tafel plakt“.
Jets have already been delivered, they’re currently used for training our Belgian pilots (both new and Belgian instructors) at Luke AFB.
Ordering alternatives will take time to even start being delivered. Coolblue doesn’t have an „order by 23:59“ guarantee on these types of things.
Yes it´s too late but ordering additional F-34’s would be a major mistake.
There´s other useful hardware and capabilities we can spend money on.
Any weapon that can be switched off remotely it’s really dumb, no matter how good it is, it’s good only for who keeps the keys for that.
The whole nuke carrying is just one side of it.
Looking at the current Ukraine war, a major lesson from there is that both air forces can’t operate anywhere near the front line without losing most assets. That includes the upgraded F-16s Ukraine has , those things are hard to miss with SAM missiles. (our army telling us they are the ’neusje van de zalm‘ were just lies)
So for when in the next war happens, we need to consider that. We need planes that can operate in a hot zone with active radars searching for them. There is right now only one plane we can buy that has that capability. That’s the F-35.
There are other non US programs for stealth capable planes. Perun has an [excellent vid ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTjdEtHYDJ4)on it. But the fastest (planned) available is still [10 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Combat_Air_Programme) away. And we may very well have to fly planes over an invading army in the Baltics soon to engage targets there.
The F-35 is something we right now just need. It will be the only plane capable of engaging targets with strong air defence present.