Premierminister Orpo: Finnland arbeitet an einer Strategie, um ausländische Studierende über den Abschluss hinaus zu halten | Yle-Neuigkeiten
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Premierminister Orpo: Finnland arbeitet an einer Strategie, um ausländische Studierende über den Abschluss hinaus zu halten | Yle-Neuigkeiten
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„Far too many of them leave Finland after graduation. A bill has been scheduled for the autumn, which would allow graduates with sufficient language skills to obtain a permanent residence permit in Finland,“ Orpo said.
People didn’t leave because they can’t learn the language. Foreign students who could get enough certificates, navigate the visa process, and stayed here long enough have more than enough will and ability to learn the language. A lot of the people who are audacious enough to leave their entire life behind to go study are also career focused, and so they leave because they can’t find a job to set a foundation for their career and opportunities are more abundant elsewhere. Only the most committed and foolhardy would stay to learn Finnish to become a citizen and a slightly better cleaner/waiter/fast food worker, and then they would probably also leave.
Do something about the employers and their widespread requirements for native level Finnish proficiency.
Don’t think it’s going to work unless they criminalize companies from demanding the knowledge of finnish language on a proficient level.
„with sufficient language skills“
So help with that! It’s so hard to get into supplementary language courses due to lack of seats, and those that are held are often taught using 50+ year out of date teaching methods (grammar translation method) that actively harms the ability to learn the language.
Slapping down a copy Suomen Mestari 1-3 in front of someone and asking the students to translate locative cases will do nothing to teach them how to use the language.
If you’re having issues with foreigners not learning the language well enough, then improve how the language is taught.
Would be better to give more education to Finns and make tests for foreign students extremely hard, but then give benefits that make them want to stay for those who graduate.
It doesent make any sense and has no benefit for Finland to get foreign students over natives just because foreign students are trendy thing to have. Thats just waste of tax money and lowers chances for Finns to get higher degree education. But foreign students who are really good at their thing and who want to stay are beneficial. So only let the best ones to study here and give them more things to want to stay.
How about improving the salary? Hard to keep people around with worst wages in the nordics, on top of the taxes😅
Perhaps a bit unpopular opinion, but if we want to have more fdi and talent like sweden has, we should do more like sweden does. Putting myself in the shoes of an international talent, why the hell would I put myself through the current employment clusterfuck of „sorry, native finnish required“ when I can literally get hired a couple hundred km west from here without much trouble for double the salary.
Finland: Complain about foreigners not learning language.
Also Finland: Provide outdated methods and practices for learning the language, at times not many in employment can realistically commit to.
People who are willing to leave their life behind for their studies are very ambitious individuals.
Ambitious individuals are not going to stick around to pay more taxes and earn less money than almost anywhere else in Europe. Doubly so if they have to learn one of the hardest, and least useful languages (for business), to even have a shot at employment.
They leave Finland because shitty salaries. And we have shitty salaries due to too much social democracy.
As someone who’s been through the whole mill of graduating in Finland, learning the language, and then landing a job, I’d argue that what the state should do is offer a one year, intensive (8×5) finnish language course post-graduation to all students who are willing to stay. It has to be intensive, it has to be daily, all in Finnish (not relying on English), and it has to be well resourced and start straight after graduation. During that year, there shouldn’t be other state-related requirements for students to stress about, it should provide a basic living pay, and it should extend student visas automatically by at least 2 years (1 year intensive learning + 1 year communication focused half time learning combined with job search). Visa periods should after that be extendable too and continuous learning provided as well if necessary.
I have met many expats, foreigners, and refugees from all walks of life in my decade in Finland, and the only ones who speak it properly are the ones who’ve had the opportunity to engage with the language daily for a prolongued period or time. Cleaner or derlivery jobs don’t help you learn the language at all, and many other blue collar jobs don’t provide the required language levels to land the type of white collar jobs that educated foreigners are fit for. It’s redundant for the Finnish state to pay for higher education and not take the extra last step to make sure students stay after graduation.
Not even the native students want to stay here anymore lmao why would they
What good does the residence permit do if our companies won’t hire any of these people and the atmosphere is more and more hostile towards people without damn perfect Finnish.
With current policies and educational trends they soon need a strategy for keeping Finnish students beyond graduation as well.
With what? Jobs?
Yeah right.
Another international talent attraction propaganda?
You wanna keep them to do what exactly? to be cleaners, early morning newspaper delivery and food delivery workers, or at best be an intern/junior for years? with engineering degrees? and with those great Finnish salaries and reasonable taxes? and that welcoming and friendly Finnish society?
Can you show some of that blunt Finnish honesty to these internationals about the reality of Finland, before they waste time and money to move here in the first place?
The word is already out that this country is not good for ambitious and career oriented internationals and yes a lot of them did all their higher education in Finland and still end up leaving, they are doing much better elsewhere.
As a foreigner who is not planning to stay here I find it confusing because the job market is very bad.
Why do they need more people?