Ich habe bereits über die Jobkrise bei Ausländern gepostet und viele von Ihnen haben einige tolle Informationen bereitgestellt. Als ich nun nach Talentmangel in Finnland suchte, fand ich diese Artikel: https://yle.fi/a/74-20041424 https://www.sttinfo.fi/tiedote/69970476/osaajapula-pahenee-entisestaan-suomen- osaajapula-on-osa-globaalia-trendia?publisherId=4060 https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/business/24303-talent-shortage-hampers-finnish-business-growth-warns-chamber-of-commerce-survey.html Wie Sie jedes Mal sehen können, behaupten Presse und relevante Organisationen, dass es in Finnland einen Talentmangel gibt. Und sie haben sogar einige Bereiche erwähnt. Aber was wird aus finnischer Sicht eigentlich als „Talent“ bezeichnet? Jemand mit einem Jahrzehnt Erfahrung? Harvard- oder Oxford-Absolvent frisches Blut? Suomi-Svenska-Sámi-Sprachexperte? Wenn es einen Talentmangel gibt, warum sind dann so viele Finnen arbeitslos? Sicherlich findet man unter 5,5 Millionen Menschen „Talent“. Ich werde auch nicht darüber schimpfen, warum Einwanderer hier keine Arbeit finden. Ehrlich gesagt haben wir diesen Punkt überschritten. Es gibt keine Hoffnung in dieser Diskussion. Die Mehrheit der Ausländer wird in Finnland beschissene Jobs machen. Aber wie legen die Regierung und andere Organisationen Parameter fest und behaupten, dass Finnland dringend Talente braucht? Ähnliche Behauptungen kommen auch aus Schweden und dort passiert fast die gleiche Scheiße. Der Unterschied liegt in der Wirtschaftsgröße und der Produktivität.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/1bgfaz7/talent_shortage_myth_or_reality/
Von Better-Analysis-2694
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Well. Finnish companies are in need of senior level talent(to do entry level shit) and are basically advertising for jobs they aren’t ready to pay an internationally competitive salary for. Nor are they willing to cultivate said talent. Someone with the correct specs just has to appear out of nowhere.
Ghost jobs create a statistical illusion of talent shortage.
Why companies and government claim about the dire need for talents? In part to increase competitiveness and pay less for the same work.
Talent is someone who can bring desperately needed skills into a company or start own business. Talent is not a fresh graduate or a guy with fine papers but no idea about how to use them.
The problem with Finland is that there’s only 5,6M people here, so the amount of talented people is limited, especially super talented. Education system is somewhat broken and universities are turned into diploma factories. Also a somewhat big problem is that most study masters degree without having any hands down experience from the field. It would help if they could align their studies more based on experience than hunch. On the other hand, there’s even less jobs for bachelors, so go figure. Schools and high schools are the problem, really.
Every year, finland brings thousands of foreign students to study here.there is not enough part time opportunities to sustains the living cost here. At the same time after graduation there is not professional jobs. I don’t know why finish government try to bring so many International students when they can not give them proper jobs. I don’t think there is any Talent shortage in Finland. if there is really shortage of talent it’s in some specific sectors such as in nursing. other than that there is no shortage.
Others have pointed it out already, but in general companies are not looking to hire potential. They are hiring people based on skills that are immediately applicable.
It’s one of the reasons why I don’t see much potential in the Finnish labor market myself, and why I will probably have to seriously consider single entrepreneurship in the future.
Mismatch between supply and demand due to small talent pool and limited opportunities for the exceptionally gifted. If you’re really good, you move to the US, Germany, UK or Netherlands maybe. If you’re a super talented foreigner, you won’t come here to work for peanuts. For the remaining average to good employees, it’s a matter of having the right skills. Yes there is a lot of unemployed talent with possible decent skills, but maybe no demand for those skills now. And then there’s demand for stuff for which not enough talent exists. A lot of this could be circumvented if companies trained the people, but I guess it’s not so easy. Costs money and time.
Tech is notorious for this. Companies are ALWAYS hiring and can’t find the right people, and yet there are thousands of people desperately trying to find a job in tech but don’t have enough experience or skills in popular technology XYZ. Juniors fight for the few opportunites, and headhunters try to make the senior employees switch companies without really giving any reason to do so. I still get offered shit money even if I have what other companies are offering, so no thanks. Start paying people proprerly, and start training juniors and others without the exact skills needed.
A talent in finland is a finnish white engineer ready to work for peanuts.
Talent by greedy Finnish companies:
Highly educated
+10 years of exp
Social skills level 999
Relative to owner
Does it for almost free
They are not willing to take noobs and teach them, because they fear that they leave soon as they are good. And people leave because company wont pay good salary or give raise to „old workers“ rather than let them leave and complain
All my Finnish friends and me have university degree and 5-10 years of exp, yet salart before taxes is 2200-3600€/month. No wonder they cant find enough people when they pay so little
A Swiss company looking for a DevOps person and with a salary of less than 5500€ gross per month.
A GIS company looking for a Database specialist and offering 3500€ gross per month.
Meanwhile Eastern Europe is paying 8000€ gross per month with half the tax.
Well, Finland needs a lot of cheap labor and foreigners fit that bill. Keep importing more people so the companies don’t have to compete about the labor but the labor has to compete about getting the job.
That way the wages can be kept low, that way the people also fight amongst themselves about the immigration issue which politicians can use as ammo in political discussions and keep the conversations away from the real problems.
Finland has a good pool of highly educated people living here and every year we also educate a good amount of foreigners here, who then leave since they can’t find a job.
Only jobs that need to be filled are the low wage jobs which most of us don’t even want to do anymore.
For some reason long hours, too much work and low wages aren’t appealing, keeping in mind that the taxes are stupidly high as well.
Tldr: The thing is a myth which is used politically to divide people
I have been trying to work out what „talent‘ is for years and I have come to think it’s a „unicorn“ that’s why Finland can’t catch these creatures.
Post a job ad that states that no Finnish or Swedish is required for the position. You will most probably be bombarded with applications (most even from competent people) even if the job position requires a high level of expertise.
Still way too few Finnish companies have adopted English as their official office language and the language barrier then also filters out a lot of competent „talent“. I was a part of a recruitment effort in a Finnish company where the official language is English and highly educated and experienced people were willing to move hundreds of kilometres just for the entry-level specialist position.
These types of articles that revolve around companies are always top tier bullshit. Most job requirements have way too wide of a range of skills where it is nearly impossible to be expert in everything they ask for. Specially loved the article where companies feel like employees lack resilience and stress handling, which in my experience comes from having too little people to do the job, or supervisor having too many persons to supervise.
Talent is definitely out there, but issue is that companies don’t want to pay for it and they don’t want to train you either. They expect everyone to have at least 5 years of experience and still pay you entry level payment. Most companies also lack a sustainable way to keep you in there as I haven’t seen any contracts with a chart that would show how your salary should increase if you stay in one company long enough. Main way of receiving a raise is by threatening to leave and asking them to math an offer you received from elsewhere.
I’ve never seen a “talent shortage” in the wild but I’ve read a lot about it. I hope one day to spot one!! Would be very exciting. If I see one I will take photos and post here to confirm it’s real.