From the linked article, “However, 479,000 yen per month is not the definitive minimum income standard for obtaining permanent residence.”
JohnnyJumpingJacks on
Huh, guess they would rather let houses rot away and collapse then let retired people or people who just want to own a home and stay there occasionally and spend money while they are there. Guess rotting decaying homes a shrinking population is more logical.
megayippie on
It’s funny when countries have written tests that most locals cannot pass. But with money? Now you know you are not Japanese enough for more reasons!
Just stop everyone with lower income guarantee to enter the country on any work visa.
NemuriNezumi on
so basic baseline is to be rich while also making it super complicated (now capped) to get the specified skilled worker visa as well (and let’s not forget the mess they did recently with the startup business visa as well)
make it make sense
who is pedalling and steering this trainwreck of a government, do they even realize the long term impact of their decisions? how is that supposed to help with the overtourism?
Kedisaurus on
They’re creating new rules every 2 days lol
This-Wall-1331 on
What percentage of Japanese earn that?
kampyon on
So they want foreigners who are richer than your average Japanese person. Further making Japanese inferior in their own country.
xellos_rj on
What’s real funny is that the people defending this „to avoid poor foreigners from abusing poverty safe nets when they“re old“ forget to consider that if you don’t have any other kind of investment, around that salary in Tokyo or a big city center you’d still be just an old poor bum needing to do part time to compensate like any other Japanese person anyway.
A lotta people in inaka on 400k could put money on Nisa or Ideco or anything else and probably fill the gap but I doubt they are not going to put a lot of asterisks even with that so do it at your own risk.
I hope they will enjoy their future Japan filled with Chinese tech bros.
Calm-Limit-37 on
Even more than the salary, the main problem is the ever moving goalposts. Why arent they discussing all of this as one big overhaul, rather than piecemeal anxiety bait?
Complete_Lurk3r_ on
Irrelevant. Japan is already toast.
heickelrrx on
isn’t this dangerous, it mean allowing rich foreigner to get in, while not fixing the crippled economy
what if I am rich person and let’s say Bought 20 million of 10 year goverment bond in Japan? and just do nothing
Available-String-109 on
„This will lead to foreigners dominating the dating market.“
Outrageous_Law_5525 on
Again. They hate you. Remember that.
They want your money and your labor. Then they will bow, and tell you to fuck off. They hate you more than anything
JapanEngineer on
Article also mentions it isn’t clear if that is combined income for the couple or not.
Active_Ad_2205 on
does anyone know whether the ¥479k figure is supposed to mean employment income specifically, or total declared income including investment income? the reports seem to say that savings can cover only the projected pension shortfall, not a shortfall against the annual income threshold. if that’s right, someone earning below the threshold would still fail even if they had more than enough assets to support themselves. has any source clarified this yet? this article seems to be summarizing the yomiuri and asahi reports rather than providing new details
Mobile-Net1610 on
Are bonuses considered in this baseline?
izanagi_49 on
Majority of Japanese don’t even earn that much.
RedBananas6-7 on
I wish I could do my job in Japan and work there.
thetwister35 on
It’s like trying to get a Skilled Worker Visa from the UK Home Office. From salary threshold being £23k per annum to £30k to £40k and now like £60k within a few years.
They just don’t want foreigners.
Ok-Average390 on
This might honestly just have been the final nail. Everything up until now I could have maybe dealt with. I have a potential nice job lined up after this ALT gig at an international school but the salary isn’t up to this level.
All the comments on yahoo are saying that „Japan is still desirable despite this so it’s fine“ (outing they’re okay with exploiting cheap labor if they leave), but honestly, no. It really isn’t anymore.
They’re in for a rude awakening sooner than they think.
powertodream on
gg you guys
Lukin76254r on
Days since the last “Japan Shitting the Bed” moment: 0
0fiuco on
so let me get this straight: the objective of this government is to give opportunity to foreigners to only apply for very well paid jobs, leaving all the underpaid jobs that nobody really wants to do to Japanese nationals?
Are we sure this is what the people of japan want?
johnyoker2010 on
that’s about 3000usd/month.
Japan was a county to many that you can go work, wire$ back and sustain yourself by doing labor work etc.
guess that’s not the case anymore.
OdiseoX2 on
Next requirement: You have to sleep 3 hours at most and rest work work work
Swivel_Z on
I make less than 100,000 a month while attending school. On my last 500 yen until Friday..
retiredbutnotdone on
Lol most Japanese can’t hit that target on their best month
Ballsacorino on
As a HSP holder on track for 1 yr PR application, this doesnt affect me, but I feel like the policy against foreigners has gotten pretty far. It honestly feels like the current administration is turning society against gaijins instead of addressing the weak yen problem.
I am now planning to move out after getting my PR.. I aint paying high income taxes and all that just to support some racist and unproductive people who line up in front of the pachinko everyday instead of getting a dang job and blame whatever they got going on in their miserable lives on gaijins smfh
Pisum_odoratus on
Declares the country heavily dependent on foreign workers to work in their factories, service industry and agriculture, as well as to provide eldercare, and do other service work. The racism and xenophobia are off the charts. Manufacturing alone is almost 25% foreign workers.
yoshijohn on
how can i get that income if they restrict overtime hours in workplaces XD
lockie111 on
Definitely more but no one will know how much or under which rules:
“ただし、月47万9000円が永住権取得のための確定的な最低所得基準となったわけではない。「日本人世帯の平均所得以上」と示されているだけで、具体的な基準額は明らかにされていないためだ。申請者本人の収入を基準とするのか、配偶者を含む世帯全体の所得を基準とするのかについても、まだ公表されていない。”
Physical-Function485 on
I’ve lived here 30+ years and don’t make that much. Not even close. I’ve also never met a foreigner personally who does. Most make around the same as I do. I get that there are many that do make that much. But, I feel like at least half do not. Most Japanese do not even make that much.
TokyoLosAngeles on
So through with this stupid ass country.
Incha8 on
cool and all but they are still flooded by western asians, they are just warding off immigration from the only people that they should want coming.
Why would a qualified and specialized worker choose to work in japan when his stay is on a timer and choosing to stay there is a mirage.
Username_checksout0 on
thats like only 3k per month right 💀
buff730 on
All these crazy laws will be gone in a year or so when they find out they have no one to work the jobs they’ve been doing. But all the people who were kicked out will never return, and all the thriving businesses won’t ever be back. With Japan’s birth rate so low, all the foreign workers were basically keeping certain businesses functioning. When I visited Japan a few years ago I noticed so many more foreign workers in lower paying jobs like McDonalds or cleaning hotels. Who’s going to do them now?
Amazing-Power4765 on
Just say you only want rich Chinese people to immigrate.
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lol what?
From the linked article, “However, 479,000 yen per month is not the definitive minimum income standard for obtaining permanent residence.”
Huh, guess they would rather let houses rot away and collapse then let retired people or people who just want to own a home and stay there occasionally and spend money while they are there. Guess rotting decaying homes a shrinking population is more logical.
It’s funny when countries have written tests that most locals cannot pass. But with money? Now you know you are not Japanese enough for more reasons!
Just stop everyone with lower income guarantee to enter the country on any work visa.
so basic baseline is to be rich while also making it super complicated (now capped) to get the specified skilled worker visa as well (and let’s not forget the mess they did recently with the startup business visa as well)
make it make sense
who is pedalling and steering this trainwreck of a government, do they even realize the long term impact of their decisions? how is that supposed to help with the overtourism?
They’re creating new rules every 2 days lol
What percentage of Japanese earn that?
So they want foreigners who are richer than your average Japanese person. Further making Japanese inferior in their own country.
What’s real funny is that the people defending this „to avoid poor foreigners from abusing poverty safe nets when they“re old“ forget to consider that if you don’t have any other kind of investment, around that salary in Tokyo or a big city center you’d still be just an old poor bum needing to do part time to compensate like any other Japanese person anyway.
A lotta people in inaka on 400k could put money on Nisa or Ideco or anything else and probably fill the gap but I doubt they are not going to put a lot of asterisks even with that so do it at your own risk.
I hope they will enjoy their future Japan filled with Chinese tech bros.
Even more than the salary, the main problem is the ever moving goalposts. Why arent they discussing all of this as one big overhaul, rather than piecemeal anxiety bait?
Irrelevant. Japan is already toast.
isn’t this dangerous, it mean allowing rich foreigner to get in, while not fixing the crippled economy
what if I am rich person and let’s say Bought 20 million of 10 year goverment bond in Japan? and just do nothing
„This will lead to foreigners dominating the dating market.“
Again. They hate you. Remember that.
They want your money and your labor. Then they will bow, and tell you to fuck off. They hate you more than anything
Article also mentions it isn’t clear if that is combined income for the couple or not.
does anyone know whether the ¥479k figure is supposed to mean employment income specifically, or total declared income including investment income? the reports seem to say that savings can cover only the projected pension shortfall, not a shortfall against the annual income threshold. if that’s right, someone earning below the threshold would still fail even if they had more than enough assets to support themselves. has any source clarified this yet? this article seems to be summarizing the yomiuri and asahi reports rather than providing new details
Are bonuses considered in this baseline?
Majority of Japanese don’t even earn that much.
I wish I could do my job in Japan and work there.
It’s like trying to get a Skilled Worker Visa from the UK Home Office. From salary threshold being £23k per annum to £30k to £40k and now like £60k within a few years.
They just don’t want foreigners.
This might honestly just have been the final nail. Everything up until now I could have maybe dealt with. I have a potential nice job lined up after this ALT gig at an international school but the salary isn’t up to this level.
All the comments on yahoo are saying that „Japan is still desirable despite this so it’s fine“ (outing they’re okay with exploiting cheap labor if they leave), but honestly, no. It really isn’t anymore.
They’re in for a rude awakening sooner than they think.
gg you guys
Days since the last “Japan Shitting the Bed” moment: 0
so let me get this straight: the objective of this government is to give opportunity to foreigners to only apply for very well paid jobs, leaving all the underpaid jobs that nobody really wants to do to Japanese nationals?
Are we sure this is what the people of japan want?
that’s about 3000usd/month.
Japan was a county to many that you can go work, wire$ back and sustain yourself by doing labor work etc.
guess that’s not the case anymore.
Next requirement: You have to sleep 3 hours at most and rest work work work
I make less than 100,000 a month while attending school. On my last 500 yen until Friday..
Lol most Japanese can’t hit that target on their best month
As a HSP holder on track for 1 yr PR application, this doesnt affect me, but I feel like the policy against foreigners has gotten pretty far. It honestly feels like the current administration is turning society against gaijins instead of addressing the weak yen problem.
I am now planning to move out after getting my PR.. I aint paying high income taxes and all that just to support some racist and unproductive people who line up in front of the pachinko everyday instead of getting a dang job and blame whatever they got going on in their miserable lives on gaijins smfh
Declares the country heavily dependent on foreign workers to work in their factories, service industry and agriculture, as well as to provide eldercare, and do other service work. The racism and xenophobia are off the charts. Manufacturing alone is almost 25% foreign workers.
how can i get that income if they restrict overtime hours in workplaces XD
Definitely more but no one will know how much or under which rules:
“ただし、月47万9000円が永住権取得のための確定的な最低所得基準となったわけではない。「日本人世帯の平均所得以上」と示されているだけで、具体的な基準額は明らかにされていないためだ。申請者本人の収入を基準とするのか、配偶者を含む世帯全体の所得を基準とするのかについても、まだ公表されていない。”
I’ve lived here 30+ years and don’t make that much. Not even close. I’ve also never met a foreigner personally who does. Most make around the same as I do. I get that there are many that do make that much. But, I feel like at least half do not. Most Japanese do not even make that much.
So through with this stupid ass country.
cool and all but they are still flooded by western asians, they are just warding off immigration from the only people that they should want coming.
Why would a qualified and specialized worker choose to work in japan when his stay is on a timer and choosing to stay there is a mirage.
thats like only 3k per month right 💀
All these crazy laws will be gone in a year or so when they find out they have no one to work the jobs they’ve been doing. But all the people who were kicked out will never return, and all the thriving businesses won’t ever be back. With Japan’s birth rate so low, all the foreign workers were basically keeping certain businesses functioning. When I visited Japan a few years ago I noticed so many more foreign workers in lower paying jobs like McDonalds or cleaning hotels. Who’s going to do them now?
Just say you only want rich Chinese people to immigrate.