That’s the point. Conservatives here do the same as what Republicans do for the states and the mentality of the supporters are the same.
“Im supporting things that will help me when I’m rich” but they never get rich because of the party they support.
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adamantiumbullet on
I can’t get over how stupid this all was. It took money out of almost everyone’s pockets. What a debacle of ignorance and stupidity.
Then again, „axe the tax“ did rhyme, so who can really say which side was right?
RiverOaksJays on
It was well known at the time that lower income people who didn’t drive cars would benefit from keeping the carbon tax. Carney could have announced the additional measures for GST recipients at the same time that he was cutting the carbon tax.
cutchemist42 on
Was saying this for years on this forum and r/canada. Getting rid of it was just a qealth transfer back to the rich to continue polluting.
Having said that, I saved up my carbon payments and got a very nice Electra ebike with it, so it worked out as intended for me. I miss the program.
simpatia on
Pollievre’s only real success to date has been convincing Canadians that a market-based system where big polluters pay for their pollution was somehow a tax grab. Trudeau fumbled by allowing this be the one major climate policy that took up all the attention (it was paired with CFS, building retrofits, energy efficiency, etc).
Now Carney is starting to lose the progressive side of his anyone-but-conservatives coalition because he’s too soft on the climate crisis.
theclansman22 on
In BC we got rid of the carbon tax, but didn’t get rid of the tax cut associated with it. So now we have a massive deficit!
j821c on
Getting rid of this was always incredibly dumb but the carbon tax was political poison and I dont think there was any coming back from that
AlfredRWallace on
Still makes me sad that this policy got scrapped. And I say that as someone who actually paid more in carbon tax than I got in rebates. I know a couple of people who were ‚axe the tax‘ proponents who just refused to believe the government was returning the money. Nothing I could say or show them would convince them.
ElvinKao on
I’ve talked to many young people in the city that 100% net benefit from the carbon tax, but all of them could only parrot axe the tax and making life more expensive. It’s sad that we can’t just have honest intelligent public discourse on this.
CanuckleHeadOG on
Trudeau destroyed the carbon tax with carve outs, Carney is the one that actually killed it and yet posters in here still complain about conservatives and Poilievre.
ItachiTanuki on
The reason Conservatives hated the carbon tax was partly because it was redistributive, and we can’t be having that now can we.
topspinvan on
I have spoken to otherwise very intelligent, informed people who somehow thought that the carbon tax was a „sacrifice“ for the environment. They would say something like „why do we have to pay a carbon tax when China or the USA don’t????!!!!“. It was so dumb. The money collected does not disappear. The federal program rebated the money, leaving the vast majority of the working class better off. In BC, it was used to keep income taxes the lowest in the country and fund government services like health care or education or transportation etc. If someone wanted to make the argument that carbon taxes are less efficient or less fair, than income/sales/corporate taxes, make that case. I never saw any economic agreement on that. But this was not a „sacrifice“.
The argument in the political arena against carbon taxes was purely feelings-based and sorry to say, my fellow Canadians were proven to be rubes.
otwa on
This is classic middle class self sabotaging, it’s like when taxes are announced on the ultra rich and somehow your average Canadian feels that they are going to be paying more.
Like no, this isn’t you. For the average Canadian, it meant more money in your pocket and whatever savings you think you did, they were wiped out hours after the conflict with Iran started
canadianleef on
It was such a good and progressive policy. Too bad we’re walking back decades under carney and the conservative provincial governments. Ford kept shitting on it until it was removed.
AprilsMostAmazing on
I love how the conservatives spent years running on taking away money from Canadians. And conservatives went along with it cause axe the tax sounded good.
We really need to invest more in our education. People really need to think things do instead of following for 3rd word slogans
Novel-Werewolf-3554 on
Since the consensus of the Liberal supporters on here is that citizens should have more money in their pockets (I agree we should) and the Conservatives are at fault because they villainized the carbon tax, let me suggest an obvious solution cut income taxes across the board. Everyone gets to keep more money and I guarantee that the Conservatives will not oppose it. Everyone wins!
Oldcadillac on
Yep, carbon tax going away cost my household around $1200/year. Then Danielle Smith made daycares cost all the same and that cost my household $1200/year. Then she transferred my spouse from AISH to ADAP, which will cost us $2400 per year when the “transition benefit” runs out. And my municipal property taxes went up $1200 per year as well.
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It was a great policy, undermined by oil & gas interests and their conservative polical allies.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/ijf-energy-united-social-media-carbon-tax-advertising-1.7392808
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That’s the point. Conservatives here do the same as what Republicans do for the states and the mentality of the supporters are the same.
“Im supporting things that will help me when I’m rich” but they never get rich because of the party they support.
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I can’t get over how stupid this all was. It took money out of almost everyone’s pockets. What a debacle of ignorance and stupidity.
Then again, „axe the tax“ did rhyme, so who can really say which side was right?
It was well known at the time that lower income people who didn’t drive cars would benefit from keeping the carbon tax. Carney could have announced the additional measures for GST recipients at the same time that he was cutting the carbon tax.
Was saying this for years on this forum and r/canada. Getting rid of it was just a qealth transfer back to the rich to continue polluting.
Having said that, I saved up my carbon payments and got a very nice Electra ebike with it, so it worked out as intended for me. I miss the program.
Pollievre’s only real success to date has been convincing Canadians that a market-based system where big polluters pay for their pollution was somehow a tax grab. Trudeau fumbled by allowing this be the one major climate policy that took up all the attention (it was paired with CFS, building retrofits, energy efficiency, etc).
Now Carney is starting to lose the progressive side of his anyone-but-conservatives coalition because he’s too soft on the climate crisis.
In BC we got rid of the carbon tax, but didn’t get rid of the tax cut associated with it. So now we have a massive deficit!
Getting rid of this was always incredibly dumb but the carbon tax was political poison and I dont think there was any coming back from that
Still makes me sad that this policy got scrapped. And I say that as someone who actually paid more in carbon tax than I got in rebates. I know a couple of people who were ‚axe the tax‘ proponents who just refused to believe the government was returning the money. Nothing I could say or show them would convince them.
I’ve talked to many young people in the city that 100% net benefit from the carbon tax, but all of them could only parrot axe the tax and making life more expensive. It’s sad that we can’t just have honest intelligent public discourse on this.
Trudeau destroyed the carbon tax with carve outs, Carney is the one that actually killed it and yet posters in here still complain about conservatives and Poilievre.
The reason Conservatives hated the carbon tax was partly because it was redistributive, and we can’t be having that now can we.
I have spoken to otherwise very intelligent, informed people who somehow thought that the carbon tax was a „sacrifice“ for the environment. They would say something like „why do we have to pay a carbon tax when China or the USA don’t????!!!!“. It was so dumb. The money collected does not disappear. The federal program rebated the money, leaving the vast majority of the working class better off. In BC, it was used to keep income taxes the lowest in the country and fund government services like health care or education or transportation etc. If someone wanted to make the argument that carbon taxes are less efficient or less fair, than income/sales/corporate taxes, make that case. I never saw any economic agreement on that. But this was not a „sacrifice“.
The argument in the political arena against carbon taxes was purely feelings-based and sorry to say, my fellow Canadians were proven to be rubes.
This is classic middle class self sabotaging, it’s like when taxes are announced on the ultra rich and somehow your average Canadian feels that they are going to be paying more.
Like no, this isn’t you. For the average Canadian, it meant more money in your pocket and whatever savings you think you did, they were wiped out hours after the conflict with Iran started
It was such a good and progressive policy. Too bad we’re walking back decades under carney and the conservative provincial governments. Ford kept shitting on it until it was removed.
I love how the conservatives spent years running on taking away money from Canadians. And conservatives went along with it cause axe the tax sounded good.
We really need to invest more in our education. People really need to think things do instead of following for 3rd word slogans
Since the consensus of the Liberal supporters on here is that citizens should have more money in their pockets (I agree we should) and the Conservatives are at fault because they villainized the carbon tax, let me suggest an obvious solution cut income taxes across the board. Everyone gets to keep more money and I guarantee that the Conservatives will not oppose it. Everyone wins!
Yep, carbon tax going away cost my household around $1200/year. Then Danielle Smith made daycares cost all the same and that cost my household $1200/year. Then she transferred my spouse from AISH to ADAP, which will cost us $2400 per year when the “transition benefit” runs out. And my municipal property taxes went up $1200 per year as well.