Hallo zusammen!
Ich arbeite an einem Projekt, das im Grunde ein Spiel ist, bei dem der Spieler versucht, den öffentlichen Nahverkehr Berlins zwischen Ost und West im Jahr 1990 wieder zu integrieren (fragen Sie nicht, wie ich dazu gekommen bin đ ).
Ich habe diese Karte von 1987. Nach meinem VerstĂ€ndnis handelt es sich bei den hellgrĂŒnen Linien um die regulĂ€ren S-Bahnen (heutige Ringbahn) und bei den dunkelgrĂŒnen Linien um RegionalzĂŒge, die man mit dem S-Bahn-Tarif fahren konnte. Liege ich richtig?
AuĂerdem wĂŒrde ich gerne von jedem hören, der in den 1980er Jahren mit der S-Bahn gefahren ist.
- Wie war es?
- War es sauber, zuverlĂ€ssig und pĂŒnktlich?
- Gab es oft Pannen in den ZĂŒgen?
- Wie war das Personal?
- Haben sie die Tickets oft ĂŒberprĂŒft?
- Wie verbreitet war das Fahren in Schwarz?
- Wie erschwinglich war es (vorausgesetzt, Sie haben in der DDR gearbeitet)?
- Wie war die Grenzkontrolle am Bahnhof FriedrichstraĂe? Gab es weitere Kontrollen auf der S-Bahn-Strecke?
Und schlieĂlich: Gab es fĂŒr Leute, die sowohl mit der West- als auch mit der Ost-Berliner S-Bahn fuhren, auffĂ€llige Unterschiede? Ich weiĂ, dass die West-Berliner vor allem vor 1984 die S-Bahn generell gemieden haben.
Wirklich, jeder, der seine Erfahrungen teilen kann, wÀre sehr dankbar!
Danke sehr!
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Von nik_ster94
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Leaving a comment here because I never knew that I wanted to know but now I do
You got it the wrong way around.
The light green lines are sbahn services, while dark green are regional dervices going via the outer ring (not the sbahn ring), going around west berlin.
There are still regional services on the outer ring, but they don’t play as big of a role as they did back than, when there was no alternative get into berlin from all directions, like it’s the today.
It was immer bereit âđ»
Dark green is the S-Bahn, light green is the regional railway. The circle line stopped running as a circle after the S-Bahn boycott in 1980. The circular line you see here is the [Berlin outer ring.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_outer_ring)
Grew up there. We west Berliners never used it much at all.
I see Pac-Man.
The other way around: Dark green is the S-Bahn, light green the Regionalbahn.
I canât answer your questions, was too young back then to remember, but one other thing: âriding blackâ (schwarzfahren) I assume you mean fare-evading? đ
1987?
Canât be. Or at least I donât think so.
Because there is an S plus U Wuhletal on it. The extension to Hönow came VERY late – Iâm not entirely sure if it was pre 90 even – and wuhletal station didnât exist at all before then, it wasnât a pure S station either, there was nothing there except the Wuhleaue and forests.
According to Wikipedia, the station went online on July 1 1989. Which seems plausible at least.
No idea if it matters, you could just date the map as of 1989 ⊠but if it did matter you might want to try and find another.
ETA – questions!
– how was it, well it was plenty fun for kids at least. Nothing like the current paranoia. You could open the doors a couple moments after the train left the station- people used to hop off as the trains came in. Only the elderly would wait for standstill.
– cleanliness, definitely tons cleaner than post 89. Of course Berlin was always the one place in all of the GDR where things had to be just rightâŠ. But even so, trains were cleaner. And so were S and U.
– did trains break down? Sure. Of course itâs a long long time ago BUT Iâd say overall trains were more reliable. Not because of some advanced equipment, more because they were a lot slower than they are now. S and U were rather resilient- but they could and did break down. And when they did it was NEVER a quick fix. Still remember the party we had in Hoppegarten because electricity failed – it was several hours later that we got a Diesel engine to pull the dead S trains.
Staff? Itâs Berlin lol. The term Kodderschnauze was coined by them and for them. But that said, then as now, they were friendly enough.
– tickets? Berlin had automated ticket machines even then, I think they were the only ones who did. I couldnât say anything about checks in the S and U – donât really remember it happening- but tickets are cheap enough that there was not much of a point.
No idea about border control. I know enough to understand why FriedrichstraĂe was referred to as TrĂ€nenpalast. But thatâs pretty much it. I really didnât care then and kinda still donât now.
I can’t speak about the public transport in East Berlin. I’m too young for this.
But there is an interesting museum, the TrĂ€nenpalast (palace of tears), which I visted a couple of years back. It’s basically a special hall right next to the station FriedrichsstraĂe which served as the immigration office for East Germans who wanted to leave. This is where families said goobye to their loved ones, knowing they probably won’t see each other any time on, or potentially ever again. Lots of tears, which is the reason for it’s name.
In there was a map that laid out the different paths West and East Germans had to take. For West Germans there was a possibility, to arrive with a long distance train, for example from Hamburg and to enter West Berlin without ever officially stepping foot on East German ground. These paths looked like a labirynt and at no point did the ever cross with the paths East Germans had to take to get out.
They went through a labyrinth too, with multiple check points. The chambers with the first control are still standing there. You can only get in there as a single person. Even children were forced to answer questions and provide document on their own. They have mirrors so that the officer can see people from all sides. Once you got past this, there was a corridor with multiple check points along the way.
Therefore, for East Germans leaving the DDR forever, there were very strict border checks, while for West Germans entering West Berlin there weren’t any. They used paths without any possibility to enter East Germany and could therefore enter West Berlin without any border checks.
East lines looks like hammer and sickle