Machtkämpfe unter hochrangigen Konservativen führen dazu, dass die Moral der Fraktion, des Personals und der Freiwilligen „absolut beschissen“ ist, sagen Abgeordnete und erfahrene Parteimitglieder
Machtkämpfe unter hochrangigen Konservativen führen dazu, dass die Moral der Fraktion, des Personals und der Freiwilligen „absolut beschissen“ ist, sagen Abgeordnete und erfahrene Parteimitglieder
The Alberta reformers have built their identity around following their Republican counterparts hand in hand and playing the west against the east. Using regional grievances to stir divisions and undermine national unity. While Ontario reformers are federalists and it’s coming to a head within the party as the Alberta reformers have a lot more money, but Ontario reformers have some ability to seem sane.
It’s hard to imagine someone like Joe Clark fitting anywhere in today’s CPC. Within the CPC these two sides seem destined to collide on what it means to be Canadian in the new geopolitical reality.
Canada1971 on
‘Conservative interviewed for this article said they generally support Poilievre’s style of politics, but believe he showed poor political judgment in his comment at the Stampede’
So they are happy enough with the childish attacks, and silly rhymes, they just don’t want to be the target. They haven’t actually learned anything
No_Magazine9625 on
Honestly, they deserve it at this point. It was blatantly obvious after the last election, and the months and months of polls afterward showing how much of a drain Poilievre is on the CPC brand and electability. Any competent caucus and party structure would have revolted the way the LPC staged a coup against Trudeau instead of letting him take the ship down in the 2025 election. They are either too timid or just don’t have the stomach for it, and would rather give away another full election cycle than make the hard choices.
If they want to take the piss with PP, they only have themselves to blame when the end result will be LPC consecutive rule into at least the mid 2030s.
Lumpy_Substance5830 on
It has been abundantly clear to the public that Poilievre is not electable, his combative and toxic style is a huge detriment, why they continue to support him is baffling. The last election was pitiful, and you wondered if he was not trying to lose on purpose, he has made no improvement since then.
Conservatives can keep shouting into the void, they can bellow „woke“ until the cows come home, but unless and until they get a real leader that can connect with the public they will not be in power.
hardk7 on
The CPC has this problem that their coalition includes reformist style conservatives who are some combination of right-wing ideological purists, anti-institutionalists, libertarians, and increasingly even western separatists/Canadian MAGA types. They are motivated increasingly by grievances. They will not stand for compromise and they are specifically anti-Liberal Party. They form a major part of the voting membership base of the party, and they are very important for fundraising. They respond to the combative political style of Poilievre. But the big CPC problem is this part of their base is at odds with the majority of Canadians, including other small-c conservative/centre-right Canadians with less party loyalty and who are more willing to bend on policy. The CPC can’t win an election without both their reformist support and their moderate support, but when one or the other is perceived to have too much prominence they lose the other part. O’Toole was seen as too moderate so they lost some of that reformist support to the PPC or the couch. Poilievre is too comfy with the reformists so they lost those moderates to the well-positioned and timely emergence of Carney for the LPC. A successful CPC leader needs to have a strategy that does just enough to keep the reformists largely on-side but not too much so as to lose the moderates. It’s a very difficult job. But I foresee a role for individuals like Poilievre, but not at the leader position. Poilievre or someone like him can go around, speak at events, stoke some grievances and say some inflammatory things for the reformist appeal, but from a position and in places that don’t get broad media attention. More insider-party facing. Meanwhile the leader needs to be a Harper style individual – someone who portrays strength and seriousness, competence, can deliver harsh but rational critique of the government, and a vision for a better Canada that isn’t entirely negative and angry. Poilievre has never been and never will be that person. He’s always been in an attack-dog, performative role. Under Harper he was relegated to junior cabinet roles and leveraged for House/QP antics and communications for specific audiences, and that’s what he suited. The big question however is, given the current reformist strength within the CPC membership after Poilievre signed up so many of them, will it be possible for the type of leader they need to win a general election to win the party leadership? I really don’t know at this point.
makingotherplans on
Does anyone else wonder if Poilievre’s social communication issues are due to undiagnosed, untreated Autism?
I ask because supposedly his oldest daughter is on the spectrum. (He has said so publicly) and autism is genetic, passed down from family member to family member, although being a spectrum, some people seem milder and others are more severely affected.
He just seems to be so inappropriate sometimes, and so clueless as to why and how to relate to people. How to mediate and calm the waters.
And yes I could be wrong. Just occurred to me.
ImperialPotentate on
Come on guys… get yer shit together. As someone who leans right on most issues I’m actually fine with Carney the Progressive Conservative for now, but at some point the Liberals will get back to their usual Liberalling and we’ll need a credible alternative.
Baconus on
Lots of great points already here that are correct. I’ll add one more as a former CPC staffer and candidate who now opposes them. Imagine your entire media world and social life is consumed by right wing slop and lies. You are steeped in a world where everyone around you IS talking nonstop about wokeness and trans people and how carney is evil. These people are not only fundamentally illiberal, they aren’t living in reality.
If all day; everyday everyone around you and all the media you consume is telling you everything is due to lgbtq people or immigrants, it will warp your perception of reality unless you are working very hard to stop it.
They can’t just change tactic. This think this tactic is what everyone secretly wants. Because everyone around them does.
putin_my_ass on
>But others hope the infighting will end in the coming days as people take vacation and enjoy the summer recess.
>“[I hope] the story dies in the high temperatures of July and the slow broil of summer,” said a Conservative MP.
When your strategy is hope, and you’re dealing with the most contentious group of people in the country, you know you’re fucked.
NotsARobot on
but if we say it mods take it down for rule 2..🗿 everyone knows until PP goes they won’t have a shot at winning an election but they also know they have no reasonable options to attempt to win cause Canadians as a whole don’t like them; they just sometimes hate Liberals enough
LeadIVTriNitride on
I don’t think the CPC expected the liberals to so easily absorb the Tory and right wing voters to their side with Carney. They have literally no strategy to bring these voters back assuming they’re satisfied with Mark, and the people further on the right to court is a well running dry.
I think the Liberals will screw up greatly by the time 2029 comes around, considering they’re doing basically nothing of material change to help conservative voters and the average Canadians.
The boomers will vote overwhelmingly LPC and the “actual” election will be between the CPC and NDP’s ability to court youth and millennial voters to support them against the Liberals who have sold them out since the 90s.
pncoop on
I think PP will be gone by the end of the year. But the question is…. do they replace him with a Reformer or a Conservative?
ouatedephoque on
At this point, does anyone actually know what the Conservative Party stands for? What are their values exactly? All we see from them is schoolyard level BS, no substance, lots of hate.
No wonder they are in the situation they are in.
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The Alberta reformers have built their identity around following their Republican counterparts hand in hand and playing the west against the east. Using regional grievances to stir divisions and undermine national unity. While Ontario reformers are federalists and it’s coming to a head within the party as the Alberta reformers have a lot more money, but Ontario reformers have some ability to seem sane.
It’s hard to imagine someone like Joe Clark fitting anywhere in today’s CPC. Within the CPC these two sides seem destined to collide on what it means to be Canadian in the new geopolitical reality.
‘Conservative interviewed for this article said they generally support Poilievre’s style of politics, but believe he showed poor political judgment in his comment at the Stampede’
So they are happy enough with the childish attacks, and silly rhymes, they just don’t want to be the target. They haven’t actually learned anything
Honestly, they deserve it at this point. It was blatantly obvious after the last election, and the months and months of polls afterward showing how much of a drain Poilievre is on the CPC brand and electability. Any competent caucus and party structure would have revolted the way the LPC staged a coup against Trudeau instead of letting him take the ship down in the 2025 election. They are either too timid or just don’t have the stomach for it, and would rather give away another full election cycle than make the hard choices.
If they want to take the piss with PP, they only have themselves to blame when the end result will be LPC consecutive rule into at least the mid 2030s.
It has been abundantly clear to the public that Poilievre is not electable, his combative and toxic style is a huge detriment, why they continue to support him is baffling. The last election was pitiful, and you wondered if he was not trying to lose on purpose, he has made no improvement since then.
Conservatives can keep shouting into the void, they can bellow „woke“ until the cows come home, but unless and until they get a real leader that can connect with the public they will not be in power.
The CPC has this problem that their coalition includes reformist style conservatives who are some combination of right-wing ideological purists, anti-institutionalists, libertarians, and increasingly even western separatists/Canadian MAGA types. They are motivated increasingly by grievances. They will not stand for compromise and they are specifically anti-Liberal Party. They form a major part of the voting membership base of the party, and they are very important for fundraising. They respond to the combative political style of Poilievre. But the big CPC problem is this part of their base is at odds with the majority of Canadians, including other small-c conservative/centre-right Canadians with less party loyalty and who are more willing to bend on policy. The CPC can’t win an election without both their reformist support and their moderate support, but when one or the other is perceived to have too much prominence they lose the other part. O’Toole was seen as too moderate so they lost some of that reformist support to the PPC or the couch. Poilievre is too comfy with the reformists so they lost those moderates to the well-positioned and timely emergence of Carney for the LPC. A successful CPC leader needs to have a strategy that does just enough to keep the reformists largely on-side but not too much so as to lose the moderates. It’s a very difficult job. But I foresee a role for individuals like Poilievre, but not at the leader position. Poilievre or someone like him can go around, speak at events, stoke some grievances and say some inflammatory things for the reformist appeal, but from a position and in places that don’t get broad media attention. More insider-party facing. Meanwhile the leader needs to be a Harper style individual – someone who portrays strength and seriousness, competence, can deliver harsh but rational critique of the government, and a vision for a better Canada that isn’t entirely negative and angry. Poilievre has never been and never will be that person. He’s always been in an attack-dog, performative role. Under Harper he was relegated to junior cabinet roles and leveraged for House/QP antics and communications for specific audiences, and that’s what he suited. The big question however is, given the current reformist strength within the CPC membership after Poilievre signed up so many of them, will it be possible for the type of leader they need to win a general election to win the party leadership? I really don’t know at this point.
Does anyone else wonder if Poilievre’s social communication issues are due to undiagnosed, untreated Autism?
I ask because supposedly his oldest daughter is on the spectrum. (He has said so publicly) and autism is genetic, passed down from family member to family member, although being a spectrum, some people seem milder and others are more severely affected.
He just seems to be so inappropriate sometimes, and so clueless as to why and how to relate to people. How to mediate and calm the waters.
And yes I could be wrong. Just occurred to me.
Come on guys… get yer shit together. As someone who leans right on most issues I’m actually fine with Carney the Progressive Conservative for now, but at some point the Liberals will get back to their usual Liberalling and we’ll need a credible alternative.
Lots of great points already here that are correct. I’ll add one more as a former CPC staffer and candidate who now opposes them. Imagine your entire media world and social life is consumed by right wing slop and lies. You are steeped in a world where everyone around you IS talking nonstop about wokeness and trans people and how carney is evil. These people are not only fundamentally illiberal, they aren’t living in reality.
If all day; everyday everyone around you and all the media you consume is telling you everything is due to lgbtq people or immigrants, it will warp your perception of reality unless you are working very hard to stop it.
They can’t just change tactic. This think this tactic is what everyone secretly wants. Because everyone around them does.
>But others hope the infighting will end in the coming days as people take vacation and enjoy the summer recess.
>“[I hope] the story dies in the high temperatures of July and the slow broil of summer,” said a Conservative MP.
When your strategy is hope, and you’re dealing with the most contentious group of people in the country, you know you’re fucked.
but if we say it mods take it down for rule 2..🗿 everyone knows until PP goes they won’t have a shot at winning an election but they also know they have no reasonable options to attempt to win cause Canadians as a whole don’t like them; they just sometimes hate Liberals enough
I don’t think the CPC expected the liberals to so easily absorb the Tory and right wing voters to their side with Carney. They have literally no strategy to bring these voters back assuming they’re satisfied with Mark, and the people further on the right to court is a well running dry.
I think the Liberals will screw up greatly by the time 2029 comes around, considering they’re doing basically nothing of material change to help conservative voters and the average Canadians.
The boomers will vote overwhelmingly LPC and the “actual” election will be between the CPC and NDP’s ability to court youth and millennial voters to support them against the Liberals who have sold them out since the 90s.
I think PP will be gone by the end of the year. But the question is…. do they replace him with a Reformer or a Conservative?
At this point, does anyone actually know what the Conservative Party stands for? What are their values exactly? All we see from them is schoolyard level BS, no substance, lots of hate.
No wonder they are in the situation they are in.