Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think Coyne covered what I see as the CPC’s biggest issue: they (Poilievre’s inner circle and the party base specifically) take all their cues from American conservative social media.
They believe that what appeals to rural Oklahomans with the most tenuous grasp on literacy and reality will also sway university-educated women in the GTA suburbs.
But then again if the party tried to realign to a more Canada-friendly tone that base would accuse them of being Liberals and leave for the PPC. Nothing holds them back like the demand for hard right ideological purity among the CPC base.
McNasty1Point0 on
It certainly seems like we’ve seen a sentiment shift the past week or so in terms of infighting within the CPC, and one that has really started to emerge publicly.
I’ve long felt that Poilievre was hanging on to his leadership with a tight grip, but this week has really made me believe that his grip is loosening and the walls are closing in.
I think he survives the summer simply because things inevitably quiet down, but I believe now more than ever that he will be gone by fall.
incide666 on
This is what happens when all your grievances are recycled American culture war nonsense fed by the Evangelical right.
Ok_Carpenter7268 on
I think an underlying issue for the CPC is their current identity and their ‚brand‘ for lack of a better word, both of which have been shaped by PP and his base. For a lot of outsiders looking in being in the CPC is about being angry all the time, not just disagreeing with everything the government does, but saying it’s the worst thing ever. At some point, people just get tired of the constant negativity.
And it’s not just the negativity, it’s the level of negativity. It’s not enough to disagree with the government, in order to be in line with the CPC, it seems like members have to hate the government. That kind of negativity is not sustainable.
I don’t see PP leaving, or being booted out, for two reasons:
One, he has a very strong inner circle, who would aggressively attack anyone who they perceived as a possible replacement, OR anyone who tried to even float the idea of a change in leadership.
And two, who would they replace him with? The party’s identity has been shaped so much in PP’s image, that if he left, they’d have to decide if they wanted to just get a cheap knock-off of PP, OR try to rebuild the party’s brand, maybe moderating it more. That could win them some moderates, but the problem is, it could anger the maple maga base, who have been the driving force within the party.
Now, some could argue that they should go ahead and get a moderate, because really, where would those maple maga voters go? Sure, they could go to the PPC, but the PPC wouldn’t be competitive in a federal election. The CPC doesn’t match the Liberals now with their combination of right-wing and moderates, so if they split and the PPC inherited most if not all of the right-wing voters, they’d arguably have less than the current CPC has.
The CPC has to decide if they want to ‚double down‘ on PP’s style of leadership, or explore a more moderate candidate who’s willing to not demonize the government and other parties. The latter approach has potential for attracting more voters, but I think it would also take a longer period of time for that to happen.
gravtix on
I have a different theory.
A large number of the ones remaining aren’t “conservatives” so much as reactionaries.
Reactionary:
*of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, especially extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.*
So if Mark Carney is the same as a CPC PM and he supposedly stole all of Pierre’s ideas then what didn’t he steal? There must be something right?
Pierre was boosting the new BC Conservative leader whose slogan was Faith, Family and Freedom.
To me that’s a hint. That the social conservatism and promoting a state religion is the big difference.
Winter8Bones on
Poillierve has fostered and cultivated this performative anger for decades now. It’s basically all the CPC is now. I loathed Harper for certain decisions but he at least kept his party reigned in and focused and offered a vision of something. Poillierve lacks all of that, knows only to be oppositional and I don’t see the party changing that direction as most moderate voices has been pushed out of the party or silenced it seems. Until that changes and the CPC finds a centrist path forward ABC voting will continue to be thing for many of us.
LividOpposite on
Lot’s of negative articles about Pierre lately. I wish the mainstream media was more balanced. This is part of the reason I follow non-partisan independent journalist.
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Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think Coyne covered what I see as the CPC’s biggest issue: they (Poilievre’s inner circle and the party base specifically) take all their cues from American conservative social media.
They believe that what appeals to rural Oklahomans with the most tenuous grasp on literacy and reality will also sway university-educated women in the GTA suburbs.
But then again if the party tried to realign to a more Canada-friendly tone that base would accuse them of being Liberals and leave for the PPC. Nothing holds them back like the demand for hard right ideological purity among the CPC base.
It certainly seems like we’ve seen a sentiment shift the past week or so in terms of infighting within the CPC, and one that has really started to emerge publicly.
I’ve long felt that Poilievre was hanging on to his leadership with a tight grip, but this week has really made me believe that his grip is loosening and the walls are closing in.
I think he survives the summer simply because things inevitably quiet down, but I believe now more than ever that he will be gone by fall.
This is what happens when all your grievances are recycled American culture war nonsense fed by the Evangelical right.
I think an underlying issue for the CPC is their current identity and their ‚brand‘ for lack of a better word, both of which have been shaped by PP and his base. For a lot of outsiders looking in being in the CPC is about being angry all the time, not just disagreeing with everything the government does, but saying it’s the worst thing ever. At some point, people just get tired of the constant negativity.
And it’s not just the negativity, it’s the level of negativity. It’s not enough to disagree with the government, in order to be in line with the CPC, it seems like members have to hate the government. That kind of negativity is not sustainable.
I don’t see PP leaving, or being booted out, for two reasons:
One, he has a very strong inner circle, who would aggressively attack anyone who they perceived as a possible replacement, OR anyone who tried to even float the idea of a change in leadership.
And two, who would they replace him with? The party’s identity has been shaped so much in PP’s image, that if he left, they’d have to decide if they wanted to just get a cheap knock-off of PP, OR try to rebuild the party’s brand, maybe moderating it more. That could win them some moderates, but the problem is, it could anger the maple maga base, who have been the driving force within the party.
Now, some could argue that they should go ahead and get a moderate, because really, where would those maple maga voters go? Sure, they could go to the PPC, but the PPC wouldn’t be competitive in a federal election. The CPC doesn’t match the Liberals now with their combination of right-wing and moderates, so if they split and the PPC inherited most if not all of the right-wing voters, they’d arguably have less than the current CPC has.
The CPC has to decide if they want to ‚double down‘ on PP’s style of leadership, or explore a more moderate candidate who’s willing to not demonize the government and other parties. The latter approach has potential for attracting more voters, but I think it would also take a longer period of time for that to happen.
I have a different theory.
A large number of the ones remaining aren’t “conservatives” so much as reactionaries.
Reactionary:
*of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, especially extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.*
So if Mark Carney is the same as a CPC PM and he supposedly stole all of Pierre’s ideas then what didn’t he steal? There must be something right?
Pierre was boosting the new BC Conservative leader whose slogan was Faith, Family and Freedom.
To me that’s a hint. That the social conservatism and promoting a state religion is the big difference.
Poillierve has fostered and cultivated this performative anger for decades now. It’s basically all the CPC is now. I loathed Harper for certain decisions but he at least kept his party reigned in and focused and offered a vision of something. Poillierve lacks all of that, knows only to be oppositional and I don’t see the party changing that direction as most moderate voices has been pushed out of the party or silenced it seems. Until that changes and the CPC finds a centrist path forward ABC voting will continue to be thing for many of us.
Lot’s of negative articles about Pierre lately. I wish the mainstream media was more balanced. This is part of the reason I follow non-partisan independent journalist.