Gestern waren wir mit unserem Neugeborenen beim Mittagessen unterwegs, als sich eine amerikanische Dame umdrehte, um sie zu bewundern, aber im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes das Dritte aus ihrem Mund war "Denken Sie jetzt daran, sie nicht impfen zu lassen, da dies in Amerika zu Autismus führt. In der medizinischen Fachzeitschrift Lancet gab es einen Artikel darüber. Keine Impfungen, denken Sie daran!"
Wie viel Platz nimmt das in ihrem Kopf ein, dass sie das Bedürfnis verspürte, das sofort zu sagen? Wenn ich darüber nachdenke, bin ich mir sicher, dass sie sich deshalb tatsächlich umgedreht hat. Zuerst dachte ich, sie würde uns daran erinnern, sie impfen zu lassen, aber das Gegenteil war der Fall. Wir waren etwas verblüfft darüber und sagten einfach "Oh nein, danke. Genießen Sie Ihr Mittagessen." und sie beharrte ein wenig, bevor sie sich wieder umdrehte und uns dankenswerterweise in Ruhe ließ.
Ich wünschte, ich hätte sie mit den Informationen, die ich bereits kannte, etwas mehr herausgefordert Das Tagebuch, von dem sie spricht, wurde zurückgezogen und der Verantwortliche für die Falschinformationen Andrew Wakefield wurde ihm im Vereinigten Königreich seine Approbation als Arzt entzogen.
Das war für mich das erste Mal, aber ich vermute, dass das auch anderen Ersteltern von Zeit zu Zeit passiert. Für den Fall, dass dies der Fall ist, lassen Sie sich gerne informieren. Ich begrüße jede abweichende Meinung, aber das ist auch alles, denn Tatsachen sind Tatsachen und Meinungen sind nur Meinungen. Zum Glück.
Von UpDog17
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She’s American and obviously an imbecile just ignore her.
The best way to deal with these people (apart from just ignoring them obviously) is to just ask more questions. Have you read the paper? Do you know who published the paper? What were the reactions to the paper? What happened to the author?
Honestly the best thing you can do is ignore it, they’re never going to change their mind. I work very close to areas popular with tourists and recently walked past a group of American tourists chanting „Trump! Trump! Trump!“ I felt sorry for the normal American tourists trying to distance themselves. Its a weird cult.
>I wish I had challenged her more
Oh sweet child of mine, have I not taught you well enough.
Ignore. Ignore. Ignore.
I wouldn’t have bothered challenging her, if she is that stupid in the first place it would be be impossible to change her mind, plus she is American
If a random person turned around and said that to me, Itd be an immediate attitude switch to „ok, this persons obviously tick.. placate them and theyll eventually fuck off“.
Pay her no heed, she didnt get to choose where she was born
I think it’s weird that any stranger would say anything about vaccinations in that scenario. Obviously the normal thought process were corrupted somewhere along the way.
Someone did that to me too when the little one was small. One of the only times I was ever rude to a stranger on purpose “I don’t want her to die so I will be vaccinating her thanks”
I fondly remember the lady who dropped a bar of chocolate on my table in Butlers “as new motherhood is exhausting” and the lady who offered to cut up my meal for me when I was struggling to manage one handed while feeding baby when out solo for lunch,
When dealing with cretins like this online
I find you’re better using pictures. It’s easier for their little brains to digest.
http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2010/05/facts-in-case-of-dr-andrew-wakefield.html?m=1
I would have told her to go swivel and keep her opinions to herself. Whats wrong with these people that they think it’s ok to turn around giving unsolicited advise?
I’m an American (now living in Ireland).
She’s in a cult. Best to just ignore people like that. Challenging does absolutely nothing. You would have only frustrated yourself further.
And I’m sorry that happened, I know it can be quite jarring
A problem that is one pandemic away from solving itself.
I used to work in a call center supporting American customers. It wasn’t uncommon for them to come out with some bizarre off-topic statements totally unprompted.
I wouldn’t think too much into it OP, no amount of questioning or challenging will change their opinion. Hit them with a „oooh is that so?“ and let it go in one ear and out the other.
I remember working on O’Connell street serving a table they were and a couple that were New York legislators. It was 2017 and I just asking some questions about them and they just fired in no prompting „we love trump“. I grimaced and just couldn’t get away quick enough. Regret not challenging them too.
They are obsessed there, probably why get their news consistently rammed into our feeds
Nah, what you did was best. Just shut them down and blank them, no point engaging at all with these freaks. Nothing good has ever come of that.
I would have lost it.
My dad who is a doctor, says the main issue is thay vaccines have been so successful that the amount of people under a certain age who do not remember the fear of certain illnesses and the substantial loss of people to death or debilitating complications is allowing these nutters to take route and cause people to trust the Internet over doctors who go to school for many years.
Because covid didn’t really kill little kids it didn’t really help the vaccine uptake. But he said wait until there is a pandemic where kids are the main causulty and vaccines will be all the rage again.
Oh god what a crappy interaction I’m sorry.
It does happen now and then, random strangers telling you how to care for your child in often incorrect ways. I hope it didn’t sour your lunch too much.
I actually have no idea what I would have said 😅
You ain’t changing her opinion on that
Just move on.
Great thing about strangers is there’s no requirement to be polite. Tell them to get lost.
Going through removing suder usage with toddler. He doesn’t need it unless extreme upset. Was removing it and he got a tad upset, old lady got involved watching me and told me to stop being mean. Told her to get lost.
Some generations like to get involved
No point getting into discussions with someone like that. Just nod and then make it clear that you are not interested in hearing anything further.
The best thing to do about yokes like this is to just laugh in their face.
„It causes autism in America? Well we’re not in America so should be fine“
Ive had this too. I asked them to describe the study population of the article to me. They couldn’t.
It was 12 children. A total of 12 children.
All had developemental or GI problems under investigation.
They shut up then.
A lot of Eastern Europeans I work with are anti vaxxers. Why, I don’t know. I take great pleasure in laughing in their faces when they start their shite.
If you want a real deep dive into how fucked up the Andrew Wakefield stuff is, HBomberGuy did a great video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc
In America you usually only encounter these people on the internet, but when you do it’s insane how entrenched their opinions are.
Needless to say, had you persisted talking to her, even with all the facts you have,
It’s unlikely you would have been able to convince her to think.
You’d be surprised how many people here share that mindset. Recently had a baby, family friend asked about him and we said he’s perfect. This guy asked us were we vaccinating, we said we are indeed and he said oh he’s perfect now but wait until after the vaccines. You’ll see then. Funny thing is he thinks his kids aren’t vaccinated but his missus got them vaccinated behind his back cause she doesn’t believe that anti vaccine shite. And his kids are fine and healthy!
A simple “is that what happened to you?” Tends to do the trick for them anti-vax cretins.
Sometimes you hear something so stupid your mind can’t comprehend it quickly enough. And so it is only after you’ve had a moment to pause do you realise this person really did say that to you.
And by the time you have a come back or a rebuttal the moment is gone and the looper is gone.
Nothing like some unsolicited ‚advice‘ at lunch. Bizarre behaviour.
She’s American and has grown up in a society much more permissive towards crackpots and anti-science. Someone needs to confront her publicly with a dose of Irish realism, it might soften her cough.
Started chemo on Monday. All good. Took a taxi to the hospital the morning of. Taxi driver wanted to send me a video he had from a doctor who has been banned from YouTube that said basically you didn’t need chemo or any other meds. I just needed to change my diet. Fruit for breakfast, then veg at noon then fruit and veg for dinner. No dairy, meat, carbs like rice or bread..not sure about spuds. No sugar. Sugar feeds cancer. I said but sure fruit has sugars in it. He said that’s different. I said how. He said oh they are natural sugars. I said sugar is natural it’s from cane or beet. I said since I got diagnosed I have been fed a lot of conflicting information on social media so I don’t look at it. I am lucky to have had a great surgeon and now a great oncologist and I will be listening to them. I said in my situation no chemo would be in all likelihood a death sentence. I said I don’t want the banned video. He was banned for a reason.
People!
Oh I had this with my babies. I used to say “you clearly didn’t get the vaccine against stupid” and stare them down. Or if you feel that might escalate things, I’d just say ok and disengage.
Vaccines do cause higher levels of autism though, as kids now live long due to them to receive an autism diagnosis…
‚enjoy your lunch , this conversation is over‘
I strongly agree with others here in that reasoning with her is right out. I have, however, found that polite condemnation can be a very effective tool.
For unsolicited comments on appearance, blathering about vaccine conspiracy, etc. I’ve found a very good response is simple:
“What a horrible thing to say.”
Often times they know deep down they are wrong and are looking desperately for other people to “help” in the hopes of feeling better themselves. It’s not inviting further confrontation, it’s not continuing the conversation, but you’ll also be firmly standing your ground and reminding them too to strive for decency.
“What a horrible thing to say.” Works absolute wonders.
My reply to that is usually “Hmm, I’ll have to ask my Uncle Charlie about that. Oh right, I can’t, because he died at the age of two of whooping cough before there was a vaccine for that.”