Sie hatten ein Angebot für eine Wohnung in Luxemburg. Da ich in Luxemburg wohnhaft bin, kann ich mich nicht einmal bewerben, weil ich jemanden in Frankreich brauche, der mir eine Garantie gibt.
Wie ist das legal? Und wie ist das überhaupt ein akzeptabler Geschäftsprozess? Warum muss ich jemanden aus Frankreich kennen, um eine Wohnung in EINEM GANZ ANDEREN SOUVERÄNEN LAND zu finden?????
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Von Lorem_Muspi
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Because it’s a private business and they can apply whatever conditions they want. If the company is from France it’s also much easier to have a same country guarantee. What’s hard to understand?
I think they made a mistake (just copy-pasted what they send for everyone in France).
Have you talked to them about to be sure this isn’t a mistake?
As the other guy said, probably just copy pasted their general conditions since they mostly deal with french appartements / houses.
Let’s unpack:
>How is this legal?
There is no discrimination. All prospective tenants, whichever their nationality, sex, race, religion, orientation… need to fulfill the same objective criteria.
>And how is this even an acceptable business process?
Supply and demand, alas. Acceptable is… what people will accept. Invisible hand, freedom of parties, voting with your wallet, etc. Don’t like it, don’t buy it.
>Why do I need to know someone from France to be able to find an apartment in A WHOLE DIFFERENT SOVEREIGN COUNTRY?????
Ease of enforcement of a debt by the creditor (located in France) when there is no border separating them from the second choice debtor (guarantor).
You can have a commercial company established in France be your guarantor. It basically works like a subscription to an insurance.
Downvote all you want, it won’t change the legal situation nor the market dynamics in a scarcity economy.
Ofc, if one is so adamant about being right, one can drag them to court and be told they were right. But even if that were the outcome of a discrimination case, it’d be a zero sum game nonetheless.
At the end of day day, change what you can — accept what you can’t.
And if you’re just here to rant, accept that other people will present you with cold facts and tell you to chill the eff out & get over it, because you rolling on the floor like a toddler throwing a tantrum in a supermarket only adds to their daily noise but won’t change a thing.
The whole guarantor thing is always found it weird but it is normal to them(in france) .. just like in luxembourg people find normal that you pay your bank deposit to your landlord or even if you put into a bank account the landord can just serve and get the money without asking anything.
I lived in belgium and never need to provide a guarantor and when created a bank deposit the account was blocked and both signrature were required to release it. neither party could unilateraly serve themselves.
i think it is just indeed a copy paste and asking a guarantor is usually not a thing in luxembourg.
I mean it’s an objective criteria. It’s very stupid (a French guarantor for a Lux lease is way more complex than having a Lux guarantor for a Lux lease) but not illegal discrimination.
There may however be a problem from a Lux legal point. AFAIK, they’d have to accept a Lux bank guarantee. Not sure how the new law treats guarantors.
Besides that, the Married / Pacs’d Couple being seen as colocation is just nuts.
Demanding that every party in the colocation needs to earn 3x the rent is just nuts.
For the guarantee :
It’s legal because if you don’t pay, they can’t get the money unless the guarantee is in the same country.
The easy solution to that problem; your company or your bank can be your guarantee. Not all companies propose this service but all banks in France do (for fee…).
For the 3 times the rent amount. Yes that’s what everyone wants because they need to make sure you have enough money to live by after your rent.
Depuis quand Marine Immobilier opère au Luxembourg ? À mon avis c’est une coquille dans l’e-mail, copier coller d’un message générique pour le marché français!
I could be wrong, but they have no autorisation de commerce here in Luxembourg? So technically, it is illegal that they are renting this
Ask ulc.lu