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    1. Fair-Tangerine-9472 on

      Not into that stuff but I am into freedom from censorship (within reason). If we are to criminalise violent/graphic content, that’s a limitation on art. Is it morally bad to make a non-pornographic film depicting murder? Where is the line?

    2. DanceTheNight88 on

      Can someone TLDR it?

      Are we talking beastiality and above?

      Golden showers/poop and above?

      Or an oul gangbang and above?

    3. GluinGeal on

      This is a slippery slope and the start of a dangerous assault on freedom of expression

    4. flemishbiker88 on

      So we have all these things that are harmful to young people…let’s criminalise it all…or how about we educate young people and their parents, I don’t think anyone under 16 should have access to a smart phone, unsupervised internet is common for kids as young as 8, we have created an environment where both parents need to work, in many cases doing mad commutes, parents exhausted and had over a phone to get some quiet…we have sleep walked into this absolute mess

    5. EnvironmentalShift25 on

      Speaking of Talk to Joe….

      „I imagine it would be something you’d expect to see in a porno movie Joe“.

      „And what would you see in a porno movie Mary“?

    8. ishka_uisce on

      Scenes of ‚degradation and sexual violence‘ could cover, like, spanking or most BDSM practices. Some of it’s a bit vague. Maybe the actual legislation is clearer?

    10. MaryLouGoodbyeHeart on

      My worry with this stuff, while supporting the aim, is that it is always a strict liability offence. It kind of has to be in order to be operable, but it’s probably the most easily exploited kind of law by a tyrannical regime.

      All that has to be shown is that you possessed the material in question. Not that you accessed it, just that it is on your devices.

      It doesn’t seem that it would be particularly difficult for such material to be put on a device without your knowledge.

      I’m sure it’s never happened, but if I were a despot looking to get rid of my enemies I’d be finding a way to put illegal porn on their phone.

    11. HotToTrotsky_ on

      What defines “degrading” porn? A lot of European scenes are fairly hardcore but the stars consent of course. Way too vague.

    15. Arreynn on

      If the content actually shows someone being abused against their will or those under 18 then absolfuckinglutely otherwise the government should fuck off and mind their own business.

      They should have no say over what people do or watch in their own homes. It’s a slippery slope and the definition of extreme is gonna broaden whenever it strikes their fancy until bdsm or other stuff is just outright banned.

      If they say its to protect kids then why dont they just punish parents who let their kids have access to this content. There are parental controls on phones and computers and it seems like people just could not be arsed. We should not become a nanny state purely because of some lazy bastards.

    16. DiabeetusDeletus on

      „Ireland does not currently criminalise the possession of extreme and violent pornography, a category described by a Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly in a Resolution in 2011 as including material, „graphically portraying scenes of degradation, sexual violence, torture, murder, necrophilia or bestiality for the purposes of sexual arousal“.“
      This all sounds good except for the, „degrading“ part. Who’s deciding what degrading is? That could apply to alot of things from tame to not so tame. Even the „sexual violence“ could apply to some like spanking.

    19. AdministrativeEmu855 on

      Fine, good, but jesus, real crimonals actually literally perform this stuff on real people and the consequences are relatively light.

    22. fedora_george on

      This is ridiculous, unless you just want to go after people’s right to use their bodies to make porn. Assault is illegal, sa is illegal, bestiality (as far as i know) is illegal. If someone films real messed up or unconcential porn you can go after them for all those reasons. This legislation is just opening the door to meddle with people’s right to make porn in general, and to crack down upon those who wish to watch that sort of thing.

    23. TheBacklogReviews on

      Really not keen on the inclusion of “degradation” in the legislation. What if, a couple of election cycles down the line, we follow in the footsteps of the yanks and elect some lunatic into the dail who decides that gay sex is inherently degrading? Or interracial sex? Sex with a trans person? It’s rife for abuse. All for the murder porn ban, that’s great, we shouldn’t be trafficking in snuff films, but this sort of thing can be the first step on a slippery slope. It’s a foot in the door for the worst sort of puritan arsehole

    24. BlueGreenDerek on

      Growing up when the Internet was literally the wild west, I’m all for protecting developing minds from suscepting themselves to such material but as far as enforcement goes, it starts at home. Otherwise it will all be done by ai integrated systems scanning all activity done by anyone with a phone or computer and then say goodbye to any and all privacy you think you might have when using anything digital.

    25. BrutallyHonest-- on

      What happens when yourself and the mrs want to try something new and spicy? We meant to experiment with missionary now?

    26. cat-the-commie on

      About a quarter of the cabinet views gay or trans people existing as extreme, violent pornography so I can’t see this as anything but a law giving the state power to sexually abuse and assault LGBT people, especially LGBT women. Funny how the root of this issue is misogynistic violence but the government refuse to deal with rampant institutional misogyny in secondary schools, mandate LGBT and anti misogynistic education in schools, and address misogynistic laws in the government, but they’ll gladly vote for a law that lets them jail women for exercising bodily autonomy. This law is a law enforcing sexual violence, this law should be banned by itself.

    29. Scaredoftheratrace on

      Cabinet set to criminalise what their government policies do to the majority of Irish citizens

    30. ResponsibleTrain1059 on

      Reminds me that technically spanking in porn is banned in the UK.

    33. Imperial_Tiramisu on

      How are they going to do that?? Are they going to start buying porn websites?

      Or is this some BS so they can force a digital ID that’s required to access 18+ sites?

      As always, the „think of the children“ garbage is just an excuse for darconian measures.

    34. Successful_Cod_8904 on

      Report any violent pornography to your local Garda station. Send them the link and describe in detail.

    35. DMC-1155 on

      “possession, production or distribution of extreme or violent pornography, and acts of necrophilia.”

      “introduce specific legislation to criminalise the production, distribution and possession – including for personal use – of violent or extreme pornography”

      So are they intending to criminalise two consenting partners having kinky sex at home and recording it, for no one except themselves to watch?

    36. PriorPossibility2895 on

      But yet won’t look into Nolan letting off all the paedopile’s and child molesters.. That government is a fuckin laughing stock and a shame to our country

    37. 21stCenturyVole on

      This is a backdoor to enable automated scanning of all content on peoples devices, to completely remove all privacy.

    38. orntorias on

      I’d just love for the government to actually do something, anything remotely constructive to help the country as a whole. Instead of cherrypicking antiquated pointless laws from the big brother that bullied them for close to 700 years.

      Like, Britain has other stuff you can follow through with in your own country. Most of it fairly conducive to a functioning society but no, ban the porn is the law we should consider.

    41. Dyno_boy7441 on

      I wonder who’s job it will be to go through all the porn and categorise it?

    42. IndividualForce1863 on

      Sure we don’t want kids watching it, especially with the state of sex education. But consenting adults can do what they want, and it consent is clear, how can you define it as ‘extreme’? What does extreme even mean? Whatever a judge decides to too far for them?

    43. Yooklid on

      Are there any laws that currently solve this issue, but rely on a judge’s interpretation? Can we just use this instead? I think the Dail loves to try and pass new laws to say „Look – we’re doing something!“ rather than use the tools it already has and focus on creating a system that provides the desired outcome.

    44. RejectingBoredom on

      Ah fuck, I’m gonna have to start downloading the complete Ballbusters Bonanza collection aren’t I?

    45. Intelligent-Aside214 on

      The problem is who defines extreme pornography. A few years ago gay pornography was extreme

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