47 % der Harvard-Absolventen geben zu, betrogen zu haben – und das Problem bestand schon lange vor ChatGPT

It’s really hard to convince people to not cheat when all the most wealthy people in society compulsively cheat at everything.

At some point you just think why the fuck am I following the rules and getting fucked over for it.

There are different kinds of cheating.

The less ethical ways include just straight up copying answers, or other forms of plagiarism.

The more „grey area“ ways include obtaining past exam problems written by the same professors, and practicing „to the language of the problems“ prior to the exam.

When I was in college, the former is actually quite rare, but the latter is rampant. Is that actually cheating, if you’re just practicing more efficiently than other people? Who’s to say.

I thought that was the purpose of a Ivy League education, to learn how to become upper management and fuck everyone around you.

People posting are missing the point here.

Harvard creds get you hired, not being smart, its fake it till you make it.

Yes legacy admins are a serious issue but it plasters over the real issue.

I can’t ever remember cheating in college. Was I going about this wrong? Maybe it is easier in majors where knowledge doesn’t build vertically. The last few years really are chipping away at my imposter syndrome. Ok I just have garden variety GAD. Still, we may be better at this than we think.

Reminds me of chatting with a Harvard undergrad at CERN once, dude took pride in the fact that he was hooked into a Chinese social network that sent people in to memorize GRE questions and collect that info so people could basically know ahead of time what questions were on the exam.

„Cheating“ can be in the eye’s of the beholder as well. I did all of my own work to learn the material. I also paid for Chegg to make sure I had 100% before submitting. Obviously, in my eyes, it isn’t nearly as bad as some who just ChatGPT their assignments or find applications to do their test for them online. The 47% quote would have counted me the same as the others.

When I attended one of Harvard’s esteemed peers as an undergraduate, cheating was absolutely rampant. In many cases it was the only way to complete the all-important credits required for graduate admissions (medical school, law school, etc) and hence have access to the professional career you sought.

I want to emphasize this. Failing to cheat could literally cost you your entire career trajectory.

Thus a technical error in preparing a lab would result in half the section not having the correct reagents. Yet somehow 100% of the students would all report astonishingly clean and accurate lab results. Professors would devise statistical analytic methods for detecting cheating on exams and have to backtrack after discovering that 90% of the class was implicated. Overworked students behind a deadline and desperate to avoid a failing grade would trade sex in exchange for teaching assistants sneaking their submissions into the correct pile.

This was normal. It was ubiquitous. It never had anything to do with AI, and it had already been going on for decades if not longer.

The idea that AI could possibly increase the level of cheating at the college level makes me laugh out loud. No. You have no idea. Just, no.

There’s absolutely zero incentive to play the game of life fairly when the people that don’t rarely get caught or punished, do half the work, put in half the effort (if that) and come out leagues ahead of honest, hardworking people.

I bet you could could on one hand the amount of people who have amassed „fuck you“ levels of money and;

* didn’t inherit it (this includes selling inherited property or assets)
* didn’t win it through a lotttery
* didn’t ruin at least one other person’s life to get it
* didn’t marry into it
* hasn’t lobbied for or against something that directly resulted in their wealth increasing.

I remember tons of kids cheated in my gifted classes in high school. It was particularly obvious when we had substitute teachers. I was so surprised—I didn’t really understand it as these were arguably the academically most capable students. I thought perhaps they had a lot of family pressure to succeed academically, that I certainly didn’t have. Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised that this behavior is repeated in college since it has its reward I’m sure. The goal of college for many is to compete there for high marks that might help compete for better jobs later. Those are pretty high stakes, especially at an Ivy I guess. So it’s sad, but not surprising to me.

Edited to add: And I went to H.S. in the 1980s.

Since the teachers obviously are having trouble, have each student teach a lesson to the class, then have the class rate the lesson and add the lesson to the exam.

People been cheating for A LONG TIME, they’ll continue to do it even after AI

Rich kids cheating? Film at 11.

harvard seniors can’t resist doing the thing

Corporate America: “your morals are more than welcome here”

It’s scary to think that these are the people who are running the country.