Der Demokrat im Repräsentantenhaus bezeichnet das Friedensabkommen zwischen den USA und dem Iran als „im Grunde ein Kapitulationsdokument“
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5923043-iran-deal-criticized-moulton/
Der Demokrat im Repräsentantenhaus bezeichnet das Friedensabkommen zwischen den USA und dem Iran als „im Grunde ein Kapitulationsdokument“
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5923043-iran-deal-criticized-moulton/
42 Kommentare
At this point, it would be.
Trump is getting his ass kicked here, and dragging down the rest of the world with him with increased fuel prices.
He’s 100% floundering, and all politics aside, being seen as a ‚loser‘ on the daily is eating him up inside.
Iran seems perfectly content to flex on America pretty much ad-infinitum here. I mean, we attacked their civilian infrastructure directly, with zero diplomacy leading up to the attacks.
We’ve given them carte blanche in the eyes of the rest of the world to kick the absolute shit out of us if they can, and it appears to be working.
Barring a full scale, total-military invasion of the country, there’s no alternative we have other than complete surrender, thanks to Mr. Trump’s spectacular ego-driven, ill advised, ‚I literally fired all my top Iranian analysts and then started a war illegally outside of Congressional approval‘ war.
On the 250th birthday of the US he will surrender to Iran and all he has to show is a crappy deal much much worse than Obama’s
For what the deal is: basically, just reopen the Strait of Hormuz, like it was before the war.
The Strait of Hormuz that was already open until Trump started shooting missiles to brag about the power of the US. The Strait that now has several key oil producing infrastructure completely destroyed, countless of innocent people dead, land poisoned, Americans dead, bases and expensive infrastructure destroyed beyond repair and setting the region’s control back decades, and of course the entire world now shocked and probably switching off oil, likely permanently…
Yet, Moulton is right. The war needs to stop. And I say, sign the deal. Let this be the kind of deal Donald Trump can get with Iran. He starts a fight, he gets scores of people killed, he destroys countless valuable infrastructure, and he causes untold amounts of suffering and pain internationally and forces a dramatic, brutal paradigm shift for energy and daily life, all because Barack Obama, an earlier president and a Black man, got a better deal.
Let the deal happen, let the war end, and let the historians start drawing those comparison details and writing those papers. I’m a literature major myself, but the dramatic irony is palpable.
Gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em. The only winning move here was to not start bombing Iran for no reason.
At this point we either cut our losses or start doing the limbo. How low can we go?
the “deal” is garbage because the war was garbage. take it, gtfo and stop mortgaging our futures to fucking kill people
That is what happens when people just „want to elect non politicians for a change“
Treating walking away from a foolish, wasteful, war as ’surrendering‘ isn’t the right answer. Rolling out the hawks from our military and civil service, downsizing our military, and cutting off military aid and public investment to the apartheid state that helped start the war would be productive lessons to learn from this.
Donnie literally said the quiet part out loud when he told us this country can’t provide childcare while funding the war machine.
Please don’t tell me he’s going to announce the signing of this “deal” tomorrow during his ufc bullshit.
Anything to keep the war going and further Israel’s interests.
The article goes into that. This was a foolish decision and the terms of ending it are basically a surrender by the US. The best play would have been not to do Israels war. And this is the best of the bad decisions left.
Thank goodness. Why the fuck is that a bad thing? Shut the hell up and let him sign it and spin it how ever he wants. It’s better to be done than to keep this dumb shit going
He did gratuitously surrender Afghanistan back to the Taliban with the Doha Agreement of February of 2020, betraying our NATO allies, the democratically elected government there, and all the troops that sacrificed their lives to liberate Afghanistan.
In 2024, Susan Rice compared Trump to Neville Chamberlain, saying, “He’s an appeaser. He’s a surrender monkey. And that’s what we’re seeing in his approach to Ukraine.”
Back in 2018, Trump unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA solely due to jealousy of his predecessor; now he’ll have to figure out a way to sell this surrender to the American people as a victory, or at least something preferable to what we already had before. Sad.
Trump/the US immediately „surrendering“ would be the best possible outcome. There is nothing to be gained by continuing this pointless, counterproductive, immoral and illegal war. THAT’S the message Democrats need to be hammering. This war isn’t bad because we’re losing it (more like, shooting ourselves in the dick); the war is bad on its face. Doing a more competent job at the war would just lead to even more bloodshed, climate destruction, loss of prestige and economic ruin.
The US should surrender. They have no business being there. Republicans literally just want to murder people for fun.
Guys we will still be at war come two weeks. This is literally all theater for his birthday. Trump is a moron and even he knows this war isn’t over.
Markets will reward him and oil prices will drop. In the end it will mean nothing. Trump has two choices, surrender or escalate. He made this bed when he ripped up the deal Obama made.
Yes. it was always going to be that way. The route to a US „victory“ is a land invasion with 1 million US troops, with about 5-8 years of fighting, and the US actually declaring war and turning to a wartime economy. And even then the US would have to plan to undertake nation building from the start like the Marshal plan and the US leadership is incapable of that kind of commitment or planning. And I say this about Democrats and Pedo Fascists (Republicans) neither could build up Afghanistan or Iraq to be robust allies.
So let that bitch surrender. We gain nothing carrying on with Trump and Netanyahu’s moronic, immoral, illegal war of aggression.
Because that’s what happens when you start a war you can’t win
What else are we gonna do, though? Trump stumbled backwards into a war with absolutely no end game or way out. Iran should demand proceeds from private Trump Crime family asset liquidation.
When the US and Israel launched the war against Iran on February 28th, they had three stated objectives:
1. Remove the IRGC from power
2. Free the Iranian people
3. Destroy or remove Iran’s enriched uranium
How many of these objectives have been achieved in the last four months? Let’s analyze:
1. The Ayatollah and many IRGC higher-ups were killed in the first few days of strikes on Iran. These assassinations occurred during active negotiations. In the months since, the IRGC has not collapsed and arguably has an even greater stranglehold on the Iranian people. This objective has obviously not been achieved.
2. As a consequence of the first objective not being achieved, the second objective has also not been achieved. In fact, it’s very likely the war has severely undermined opponents of the IRGC within Iran.
3. Iran has still not relinquished their enriched uranium. This has been a red line for them since the beginning of the war. The IRGC have repeatedly kicked the can down the road. Whether or not the US will get Iran to concede on this point in the future is still uncertain, so it’s fair to say this objective has also not been achieved.
If none of the original stated objectives have been achieved in the first four months, then what has been achieved?
1. Oil flows out of the Persian Gulf have been reduced by 60%, which has led countries around the world to either tap into their strategic reserves (e.g. the US and Europe) or to limit their oil purchases and fall back on renewable energies (e.g. China). Demand destruction and the draining of strategic reserves have kept crude prices from skyrocketing, but the conflict has still cost Americans over $20 billion dollars at the pump and taxpayers over $100 billion dollars overall. The average person has seen no tangible benefits from the war.
2. Iran has demonstrated its ability to strike Gulf nations at will and inflict heavy economic damage. If the current deal goes though, Iran will have more power over Gulf exports than it did prior to the war. The IRGC endures and has forced the USA to negotiate. After all is said and done, Iran will come out of the war in a stronger position, especially if it receives hundreds of billions in reparations and has its assets unfrozen.
3. Israel has committed war crimes against Lebanon, Palestine and Syria for months. Their aggression has only continued to ramp up, despite supposed „ceasefires“. Whether or not Israel will abide by an Iranian-American peace deal is up in the air. They could scuttle the deal at any time.
Who cares if it’s a surrender. It’s a shit war, END IT.
It’s what Trump does… literally every deal he’s ever made has had the US coming out on the bottom
He should have never unlawfully bombed them and started a war in the first place…
If he wants to keep fighting then he should grab a weapon a go there.
I predict: “They part of the agreement where we’re totally winning is classified. Fortunately or unfortunately.”
And somehow people still believe republicans are good at doing deals and economy, I don’t understand the world anymore….
I’m 100% OK with a „surrender document“. This was not a war that we should have started in the first place. The faster we get out of the conflict, the better.
That’s because that’s exactly what it is
I’m fine with that.
I support the US surrendering to Iran. Get the fuck out of there already
“And yet, I will still say that stopping this war and getting out of it is the best that we can do at this point,” he continued
Sounds like he knows that’s the best course of action
„slams“. garbage news outlet
The US **should** just surrender and admit a loss: America is the aggressor here and Trump and Netanyahu started this whole problem.
If the US publicly loses and is humiliated it will help deter any future president from making the same mistake.
Remember the deal, the black guy negotiated?
If we have to pay Iran anything after the right falsely claimed that Obama paid Iran with his deal, Democrats better hammer that point.
All Trump does is surrender: North Korea (stopped joint exercises with SK), Taliban (pulled out of Afghanistan and left our equipment), and now Iran. Trump is such a pathetic loser.
He surrendered to the Taliban and now he surrenders to Iran. Such a strong president.
i surrendered way better than barack hussein o’bama. nobody surrenders better than me. you know, my uncle founded MIT
Americans died for this humiliation. There won’t be a memorial – Donald won’t spare a moment for them. And Republicans will pretend that it’s a crushing victory, even while food prices continue to spike.
Operation Epic Fuckup indeed.
Iran added psychiatrists to their negotiating team.
Trump gets to „sign a deal“ on his birthday.
Iran fleeced Trump.
Simple as that.
As the experts said after the first day, we had already lost the war. It was always going to be a surrender.
After reading about it, this isn’t even much of a peace deal. They’re going to open the Straight Of Hormuz but this is just a 60 day ceasefire while they negotiate a real peace deal. There have been no signs that the two sides can find common ground. Trump can’t accept a deal worse than the JCPOA but this war has strengthened Iran’s position so they have no reason to give up ground.
The only thing I can think would be if we got them to do something like agree to stop supporting Hezbollah or something. I doubt Iran would agree to that and even if they did I can’t imagine they would stay true to their word. It seems the most likely thing is that peace talks will break down at some point during the ceasefire or Israel will go rogue, Iran will close the Straight of Hormuz again and everything will start back up again. When we talk about things like this it sounds like we’re rooting against America but the reality is that Trump did a really dumb thing and we want it to end, there’s just no reason to believe that we’re not going to be worse off when all is said and done.
yes, and?
Diaper Don started the whole thing to distract from the Epstein files; it was a giant waste of our tax dollars and human lives, no one wins