Laut einer Umfrage wünscht sich die Hälfte der Briten ein zweites Brexit-Votum – darunter ein Fünftel der Reformwähler
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-uk-second-referendum-b2993826.html
Von tylerthe-theatre
Laut einer Umfrage wünscht sich die Hälfte der Briten ein zweites Brexit-Votum – darunter ein Fünftel der Reformwähler
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-uk-second-referendum-b2993826.html
Von tylerthe-theatre
45 Kommentare
What’s the expiry date for „will of the people“? Technically we overturned the original will of the people by leaving the EU
We might want it but until we get someone serious from the political class to really champion the cause its not happening.
Labour are against it, Reform/Torries are obviously against it, closest we get to are the Lib-Dems who are up for it.
Politics has failed this country, Brexit was the result.
We don’t need a second referendum. It has manifestly not worked and rejoining is plainly one of those ‘for the good of the country’ decisions we vote these idiots in to make on our behalf.
It’s almost a guarantee the UK won’t get the same deal as before.
Might even need to take the euro. Not right away, but eventually
I was very much against Brexit. But at this stage, I think we’ve got to accept the bed has been made.
Focus on how instead to actually work with what we’ve got on hand, I don’t think there’s an easy way back, and certainly not one which doesn’t come with more compromises.
I don’t think there’s a whole lot of progress which can be made on planning for rejoining, and spinning plates on trade discussions in the event of a partial rejoining.
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There doesn’t need to be a referendum. Giving people the power to vote directly on things (just like Brexit) is never a good idea. The general public aren’t knowledgeable enough on political issues to be given that power, which is why we vote for representatives that (should) have that knowledge and vote and advocate on our behalf.
There just needs to be a decision made on whether we stay out or plan to move back in and then go with it. Don’t try and set up a vote again.
I’m absolutely in favour of another vote.
If we voted to go back in I think it would be economically good for the country.
And if we voted out again, it would be objectively funny.
Win-win.
I am very pro EU, but how does this tally when Reform are doing so well in polls?
I think we should wait until the EU forgets how much they plainly dont like us.
Kind of surprising about the 1/5th of Reform voters wanting one, but then again it occurred to me immigration isn’t the binary issue some make it out to be. So someone could be pro-EU but very anti immigration from non-white non-Christian countries. In the way that some Brits of Indian sub-continent heritage were pro-Brexit.
There will also be those who are so sure that they are right that they’re happy to vote again to ‚own the pro-EU libs‘.
I voted to remain for economic reasons.
But entering into the Euro and the other opt outs we had as well as allowing free movement are non negotiable for me to want to re-enter.
The fact people went to make the EU a federation, constantly expand and invite more countries, including problem countries is a big problem for me.
The fact EU countries can just hand out passports to whoever they want with very little scrutiny and then that allows them to live in the UK is very concerning.
The fact EU laws allowed EU citizens to bring family members and bypass the laws that allow to British citizens bringing partners was a problem. As well as the amount of overstayers that paid random EU women for residency.
What’s the point? Unless the EU has set the terms, people wouldn’t know what they were voting for. We cannot do that again.
Half of Brits *they polled*.
Who did they poll?
I don’t remember being asked.
The problem is that we won’t be able to get back to the same contitions as when we left.
The poll should also ask, „are you willing to give up the Pound and transition to the Euro“
I think another referendum is a poor idea. It’s been abundantly clear that Brexit voters had no idea what they were voting for (I would argue that no one, myself included, knew what the consequences of a Brexit vote would be), and it’s clearly anti-democratic to ask voters to make a decision when they have no idea what the consequences of their vote would be (thought-experiment: it’s broadly equivalent to having all pro-Brexit materials only available in Klingon).
We have a representative democracy. Parliament has the power to sign or cancel treaties. It should simply be a matter for parliament, and if a party who has EU accession in their manifesto, then it’s up to them to carry out that manifesto promise, in whatever way they believe to be in the best interests of the country.
Not having a referendum will also get rid of the arguments about „Scotland didn’t vote out“ or „Oxford didn’t vote out“ which are completely irrelevant in a purely advisory referendum.
Roughly half the Brexit vote was for Remain. So half of Brits wanting another go at it doesn’t seem that unexpected?
With failing NHS, military, and skyrocketing costs of living, maybe Europe doesn’t want Britain back… I mean, even if the politicians do, I would hate a bunch of geniuses who forked out £40k for their make up artist degrees to be expats in my country because they couldn’t find an NHS dentist, with everything that follows, and drive property and services prices up, etc… Also, you hate your immigrants, in particular certain ethnicities and „the boriswave“, well imagine if they got their papers and decided to move to other countries due to freedom of movement, how would that look to people from that country?
Edit: I have to qualify what I said, perhaps. I don’t imply that everyone who would move is bad. But I see the tremendous squeeze on lower educated / lower earning everyday people in the UK, plus I spent almost a decade in China where there are many native English speakers teaching English because pay vs cost of living is better. I hate the term that Asians invented, LBH, loser back home, but there is some truth to it, many Westerners that live in China are like that. Not sure I would be happy for my country to welcome such people, especially with full permanent resident rights from the get-go.
There’s all this talk about will we/won’t about the EU, has anyone asked the fucking EU???? Aspiring member states go through a decades long process to secure membership, why would they roll out the red carpet for us after we spent years calling them thieves and incompetent?
There was a French politician that called brexit cat flap politics, couldn’t of coined a better description.
This country is a joke due to the amount of uneducated people.
Until that get fixed, I don’t wish on any other country to enter in such a delicate agreement with us.
Last pool I saw was 55% in favour with 33% against. Those are jokes numbers and could be changed in a moment due to the volatility of the voting base in the country.
Dream all we want, we are basically as volatile as a third world country when it comes to politics due to poverty, corruption and foreign influence. We need to get our shit together before trying to do anything.
Playing devil’s advocate, what happens in 10 years if we are back in the EU and 50-60% of people hate them again and want a 3rd referendum? Because structurally little has changed in the EU or UK and most of the same incompatibilities with the British political system still exist (except this time likely without any rebates or carve-outs for us). For all the talk of buses, Cambridge Analytica and Farage, there do exist real and legitimate frictions between the EU and UK that have been in place since the creation of the Steel and Coal Communitiy that have driven Euroscepticism the whole time, and I don’t feel like a decade on the outside will be enough to create sufficient will from either side to seal a permanent and binding settlement between the UK and EU.
So we can have false promises about what the EU would give us to return? How would that be any different to the lies we heard about leaving? Just with the sides switched…
Realistically, we won’t have a proper chance of rejoining until the Boomers have faded out of voting influence (disclaimer: I know not every Boomer voted leave).
Perhaps in 20 years, if the EU can hold it together, the upcoming generations might just take the bull by the horns, and make it happen.
No one talks about the UK exploiting Eastern European people as cheap labour for the 00’s and 10’s
Prices were driven down and saving rates increased because shops, warehouses, farms and strawberry fields employed predominantly Polish people under „gang licences“ where job agencies only paid them £3 an hour.
Brexit stopped this exploitation
Rejoining the EU will only make it happen again with the next generation of Eastern Europeans.
The UK needs to solve its own domestic problems with its own domestic workforce and stop relying on exploiting migrants.
Assuming it would include freedom of movement- it’s important to note how we got to this place ….Majority of people in the UK are racist and hate people from outside the UK. It wouldn’t take long for people (driven by the media) to go crazy about Europeans moving to the UK and start using the same hate phrases used today against immigration. I can’t see Brits attitude changing about this.
Reckon they will actually follow through with what people vote for now?
Half of Brits wanted a 2nd vote after the result of the first was announced
If instead of voting before we had a way out we voted on if what ever the gov came up with we probably wouldn’t be in such a shit mess
Seeing as the result was pretty close Im not surprised.
Imagine being in favour of rejoining the EU, but voting Reform…
Then we’ll just have another brexit vote in a decade when public opinion turns sour again.
But 4/5’s of Reform voters are still committed to Brexit and will fight in the streets to oppose a second vote.
Seing as I think the vote was only just over 50% doesn’t sound like much has changed 😂
I voted remain. But every time I see these and I see the arguments for and against the revote it makes me wonder whether if it was voted and we voted to rejoin, do we have another vote in 10 years to leave again?
I mean, it was a fifty/ fifty result anyway, more or less.
Is this a surprise/ story??
So what, we get another vote in ten years again then? Maybe get another vote in 2046 if we don’t like how its going.
The first one was a cluster fuck.
Outside of the far right nutters and market traders none of the people campaigning for leave actually wanted to leave they just wanted the PR and use it as a tool to gain popularity.
When they won they panicked knew it wasn’t achievable so played pass the book until they found someone stupid enough or with vested interests then ran.
I’m a strong believer in the EU and heavily remain but they could have left the EU in a much better way and avoided the shitshow.
The first step should have been a full analysis everything we buy from or via the EU then worked on making the UK as self-sufficient as possible.
That’s investing in renewable energy, promoting and helping farming including seasonal work, recruiting and training for the NHS, etc.
Second step look at what we sell to the EU then look and invest into alternative markets, post leave systems and so on.
Once that’s washed through (a few years) commission a full impact review and potentially renew the above process.
Then once the government is happy or after X impact review have a second vote with requirements that the impact review (or snippet) is read before you can cast the vote.
That way if Brexit was to happen the impact would be much lower.
If Brexit didn’t happen the country would be in a much stronger position than it was at the start.
Allowing such a fundamental change with a 50% threshold was absolutely ridiculous. That 2% margin was so narrow, it shouldn’t have been the deciding factor of whether to leave or remain.
There are 8 million people, including me, who never got a say in the Brexit vote. We have to live with the consequences of a vote we had no say in.
There are also potentially millions of Brexit voters who are now dead. They had more say over the future of the country than the younger generation who have to live it.
There’s just something inherently broken with that.
Sure. It’ll just be a non binding one right? That depending on the outcome we will absolutely follow through on!
Alas there’s no real political leadership that wants to tackle rejoining so even if the vote went heavily in favour it wouldnt likely happen.
We can have all the referendums we want – the major issue will be the EU letting us back in. They have already indicated it would be a ‘no’ and even if it’s a yes, the conditions would be detrimental.
While I too like the idea of joining the EU, doesn’t this mean half don’t want to?
Kind of like the results we got the first time?
It would be silly to vote again too soon and the country votes leave again, we’d never get another shot at it lol
Not enough. The 52/48 split was catastrophic. We want a vote at 70/30 opinion polls.
Also it needs to be about specific proposals rather than vibes based on one side
Half of Brits? Pretty sure they haven’t asked everyone
Funny enough I see the exact problems with Brexit happening here
When leave was voted on it was just a yes/no question nothing regarding if it had a deal or not
This would just be the exact same thing as people are just naturally assuming they can rejoin Europe with all the perks they had which would never happen
People then moan because it is more unpopular to rejoin once you consider taking on the concessions Europe would want like the euro than it is to stay out of Europe
Half of Brits don’t want second Brexit vote – including four fifths of reform voters, poll finds