Alberta’s Wonder Valley artificial intelligence (AI) data centre and nine-gigawatt power plant will be “one of the largest single-site heat sources on the planet” when fully operational, warns a Utah State University physicist commissioned to assess the project.
“These are not data centres in any familiar sense of the term,” wrote [pdf] Dr. Robert Davies, a physicist and complex systems scientist, in an assessment for the Sturgeon Lake Cree Nation. “From here on, I’ll refer to these energy-and-heat behemoths—massive compute fused with massive power generation—as Gigascale AI Smelters, smelting data and material strip-mined from people and planet.”
At a realistic generation efficiency for a gas plant, Davies said supplying 9 GW of electricity would mean “burning fuel at a continuous rate on the order of 16 to 18 GW, day and night, year-round.”
“Essentially the entire fuel burn ends up as heat released at the site, because the electricity is consumed onsite and degrades, in full, to heat.”
The project is planned for approximately 65 square kilometres owned by the Municipal District of Greenview, including Crown land transferred to them in a series of purchase agreements. A plot that size would fit about 130 West Edmonton Malls.
“The data centre won’t be introducing a single novel disturbance into intact boreal forest,” he wrote. “Rather it will be layering an enormous new thermal, acoustic, air-emissions, and water demand on top of an environment already fragmented by resource extraction—across territory in which the Cree Nation exercises Treaty and harvesting rights.”
Because numerous companies are already extracting resources from the area, creating “dense access networks through the surrounding forest,” Davies said cumulative effects studies should be done and a “whole systems analysis” is needed.
Loose-Dream7901 on
We’ll be fine
bleebolgoop on
This POS is never going to be built or finished lol.
ThankuConan on
His plans are almost underwater at this point. Even the coast guard can’t save him.
arsinoe716 on
He should have it built in his backyard. His billionaire friends can sway the city councillors to change the bylaws.
Frigoffwidit on
How much would it cost just to build 9GW of power generation? 0.8GW of hudro goes for about 14B these days.
O’Leary is a billionaire, sure. But he’s not bezos rich lol. He cant afford this shit….
Ok-Crow-1515 on
O’Leary is a sleazbag he cares about nothing but his bank account. He couldn’t careless about the impacts.
Orangatangtitties on
Did they let our forests burn so they could build this?
AloneChapter on
All the billionaires and corporations are pushing all the building, buying, insider trading and any agendas that would never be approved by the next government at all costs.
Then I guess comes hiding as much money as possible when all this explodes in their faces. Then the trials start . All those who are proven to be part of this massive theft of public funds will be in deep trouble.
EmEffBee on
I knew this dickhead was rich but I didn’t think he had datacentre cash.
XaltotunTheUndead on
Has to Alberta again, eh. Why am I not surprised.
Edit – who downvoted me? Why? Thin skinned?
m0nk37 on
Can we please come together and ban this?
Shot-Job-8841 on
When do they plan to break ground? I don’t see an estimated start date in the article. Usually for jobs like this if it’s a 5 year timeline, double that and you’ll find your bottom. You can’t find your too because there’s no guarantee of completion.
13thmurder on
Heat output is wasted energy.
Zealousideal_Vast799 on
I am trying to stay open minded, please explain why we need it. Anyone can say they do t want it but most of us use ai often during the day. Explain please
_evilalien_ on
Where’s Greenpeace and eco-activists when you need them?
jcanada22 on
Wondering if he’s out boating today?
Severe_Air_4353 on
Will he get to drive a boat in Idaho . Dont trust a shark .
fleshbaby on
„Will be?“ or never going to happen. Let’s hope it crashes and burns. It’s a purley money grubbing scheme by O’leary at the expense of an entire state that doesn’t want it.
johnlandes on
It’s amazing that the same people who utilize data centres for their non-stop online doom scrolling are the most opposed. If you want to reduce demand, stop your Internet usage and go read some books instead
entatlrg on
Fuck O’Leary. Just another Trump.
KageyK on
How is this different from the Carney proposed data centers?
Jtrem9 on
Any chance to use that heat source? Don’t know to create electricity so reduce the load on the grid. It seems wasting it is an oversight
88bchinn on
This is an incredible amount of energy required.
godblow on
Putting a massive heat emitting construct in the middle of a province continually ravaged by extreme weather is exceptionally stupid.
maxman162 on
If O’Leary is involved, it’s automatically bad.
skelecorn666 on
I just heard artificial hot spring resort.
coffeejn on
It’s not just a heat source but an energy drain. Considering the power could be coming from coal or nuclear… like WTF.
Also, I have seen a lot of people freaking out about AI since they cannot calculate the ROI (return on investment) ever since they started charging for tokens.
Moos_Mumsy on
I’m sure Danny is 100% on board with this plan. Think of all the oil that will be used locally! Support local business!
Is her husband going to be on the Board of Directors?
Thanato26 on
Ao its like his boat….
Cilarnen on
Random fun fact that the headline reminded me of:
Both the hottest and coldest recorded places in the universe are right here on Earth!
Enough-History5873 on
This f’n guy, hope everyone opposes vehemently.
Huckleberry199 on
Ban all data centers.
ElSuroGato247 on
I really wish O’Leary could fuck off and be stripped of his Canadian citizenship, it’s not going to happen for many reasons but I can dream lol
Prestigious_Ad280 on
Who cares?
gianni_ on
Can this POS go away already?
Responsible_CDN_Duck on
They’re proposing building in an area that has water shortages, and using gas power.
Geothermal and SMR are much better options for power in Alberta, and ground source heat pump is a vastly superior heating and cooling option.
Several large datacenters in Ontario are using heat pumps and they’re working well.
ApprehensiveCrow4504 on
Anyone remember The Smoggies? He is a smoggie.
trancen on
What I don’t get, is why aren’t they recovering that heat for some other usage.
*
* Greenhouses in the winter for example
* „sand batteries“.
* drying farm grains
* Drying wood.
the list is endless.
uktobar on
So we’re collectively agreeing to burn down and or sabotage all days centers built in Canada, right?
… Right!?
Skeptikell1 on
I can’t have a plastic spoon but they can burn up all the water?
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Alberta’s Wonder Valley artificial intelligence (AI) data centre and nine-gigawatt power plant will be “one of the largest single-site heat sources on the planet” when fully operational, warns a Utah State University physicist commissioned to assess the project.
“These are not data centres in any familiar sense of the term,” wrote [pdf] Dr. Robert Davies, a physicist and complex systems scientist, in an assessment for the Sturgeon Lake Cree Nation. “From here on, I’ll refer to these energy-and-heat behemoths—massive compute fused with massive power generation—as Gigascale AI Smelters, smelting data and material strip-mined from people and planet.”
At a realistic generation efficiency for a gas plant, Davies said supplying 9 GW of electricity would mean “burning fuel at a continuous rate on the order of 16 to 18 GW, day and night, year-round.”
“Essentially the entire fuel burn ends up as heat released at the site, because the electricity is consumed onsite and degrades, in full, to heat.”
The project is planned for approximately 65 square kilometres owned by the Municipal District of Greenview, including Crown land transferred to them in a series of purchase agreements. A plot that size would fit about 130 West Edmonton Malls.
“The data centre won’t be introducing a single novel disturbance into intact boreal forest,” he wrote. “Rather it will be layering an enormous new thermal, acoustic, air-emissions, and water demand on top of an environment already fragmented by resource extraction—across territory in which the Cree Nation exercises Treaty and harvesting rights.”
Because numerous companies are already extracting resources from the area, creating “dense access networks through the surrounding forest,” Davies said cumulative effects studies should be done and a “whole systems analysis” is needed.
We’ll be fine
This POS is never going to be built or finished lol.
His plans are almost underwater at this point. Even the coast guard can’t save him.
He should have it built in his backyard. His billionaire friends can sway the city councillors to change the bylaws.
How much would it cost just to build 9GW of power generation? 0.8GW of hudro goes for about 14B these days.
O’Leary is a billionaire, sure. But he’s not bezos rich lol. He cant afford this shit….
O’Leary is a sleazbag he cares about nothing but his bank account. He couldn’t careless about the impacts.
Did they let our forests burn so they could build this?
All the billionaires and corporations are pushing all the building, buying, insider trading and any agendas that would never be approved by the next government at all costs.
Then I guess comes hiding as much money as possible when all this explodes in their faces. Then the trials start . All those who are proven to be part of this massive theft of public funds will be in deep trouble.
I knew this dickhead was rich but I didn’t think he had datacentre cash.
Has to Alberta again, eh. Why am I not surprised.
Edit – who downvoted me? Why? Thin skinned?
Can we please come together and ban this?
When do they plan to break ground? I don’t see an estimated start date in the article. Usually for jobs like this if it’s a 5 year timeline, double that and you’ll find your bottom. You can’t find your too because there’s no guarantee of completion.
Heat output is wasted energy.
I am trying to stay open minded, please explain why we need it. Anyone can say they do t want it but most of us use ai often during the day. Explain please
Where’s Greenpeace and eco-activists when you need them?
Wondering if he’s out boating today?
Will he get to drive a boat in Idaho . Dont trust a shark .
„Will be?“ or never going to happen. Let’s hope it crashes and burns. It’s a purley money grubbing scheme by O’leary at the expense of an entire state that doesn’t want it.
It’s amazing that the same people who utilize data centres for their non-stop online doom scrolling are the most opposed. If you want to reduce demand, stop your Internet usage and go read some books instead
Fuck O’Leary. Just another Trump.
How is this different from the Carney proposed data centers?
Any chance to use that heat source? Don’t know to create electricity so reduce the load on the grid. It seems wasting it is an oversight
This is an incredible amount of energy required.
Putting a massive heat emitting construct in the middle of a province continually ravaged by extreme weather is exceptionally stupid.
If O’Leary is involved, it’s automatically bad.
I just heard artificial hot spring resort.
It’s not just a heat source but an energy drain. Considering the power could be coming from coal or nuclear… like WTF.
Also, I have seen a lot of people freaking out about AI since they cannot calculate the ROI (return on investment) ever since they started charging for tokens.
I’m sure Danny is 100% on board with this plan. Think of all the oil that will be used locally! Support local business!
Is her husband going to be on the Board of Directors?
Ao its like his boat….
Random fun fact that the headline reminded me of:
Both the hottest and coldest recorded places in the universe are right here on Earth!
This f’n guy, hope everyone opposes vehemently.
Ban all data centers.
I really wish O’Leary could fuck off and be stripped of his Canadian citizenship, it’s not going to happen for many reasons but I can dream lol
Who cares?
Can this POS go away already?
They’re proposing building in an area that has water shortages, and using gas power.
Geothermal and SMR are much better options for power in Alberta, and ground source heat pump is a vastly superior heating and cooling option.
Several large datacenters in Ontario are using heat pumps and they’re working well.
Anyone remember The Smoggies? He is a smoggie.
What I don’t get, is why aren’t they recovering that heat for some other usage.
*
* Greenhouses in the winter for example
* „sand batteries“.
* drying farm grains
* Drying wood.
the list is endless.
So we’re collectively agreeing to burn down and or sabotage all days centers built in Canada, right?
… Right!?
I can’t have a plastic spoon but they can burn up all the water?