Die „Sabotage“ des Brexit hat Großbritannien jedes Jahr bis zu 30 Milliarden Pfund gekostet, sagt David Miliband

Who could have seen this coming?

PrOjEcT fEaR

Wasn’t there a touring bus that mentioned something about £ during the Brexit debate 🤔….plus if its costing the UK that much then someone else is benefiting 👏

The irony is that many of those who are now worse off voted for this like turkey’s voting for Xmas. They’ll presumably blame other people and vote Reform at the next election and make matters worse in my opinion.

You just have to look at Russia to see how bad things can get when democracy is damaged by false and foolish promises that many people lap up, while others look the other way.

Im not one of the younger ones, I’m one of the 16 million who voted to stay in not one of the 17 million who wanted out.
The things some people do to be Prime Minister eh…..

NO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!

This is what happens when you take your political advice off the side of a bus.

And to cap it all off they didn’t even try stop migration. Instead it was accelerated to a level never seen before

Brexit remains a shining example on what can go wrong in direct democracies / referndums:

The whole discussion got flooded with disinformation and gross pseudo logic. Public figures picked and supported a side based not on their real opionion but on the popularity they wanted to gain (Hi Boris). Politicians spread unrealistic nonsense, knowing that they won’t have to take responsibility if it goes wrong, as the main decision was made by the public.

In the end it didn’t even matter which side had more supporters and the side with the better mobilication won.

Later on the situation changed. It became clear that it wont be the brexit the public voted for. Yet no one could cancel it because the decision was already set in stone years before any negotiations with the EU or other trade partners had concluded. The opposing parties also knew that and could take advantage of this. They knew that the British negotiators had no legal way of abandoning their plans and effectively had take any deal that they could get .

„ils n’ont toujours pas trouvé de moyen de remplacer l’adhésion à l’UE par autre chose“
ils ont une alliance commerciale avec les états unis, l australie, et le commonwealth. l ue c est juste un marché supplémentaire.

But yous saved £350 million a week!!! And don’t forget: the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU!

What does „Britain“ mean. Sometimes i feel like when peope use [Insert country name here] they mean business. After the Brexit a company where I used to work at has to increase wages because immigration from Eastern Europe slowed down significantly. Theh called it „business loss due to labour price increase“. Perhaps in this instance „sabotage“ mean rich people make less than predicted and working people a bit more.

still whining about brexit?

If only David knew how to eat a sandwich, they might not have gotten into this mess to begin with.

EU becoming stronger and more equal minded thanks to the USA, UK and Russia.

Democracy is by of the people, from the people, by the people.

But the people are retarded.

Nigel Farage should never have to buy a milkshake again for the rest of his life.

And the dumbfucks that voted for the liar that caused this bullshit are worse off, more pissed off and now voting for the person that caused this into power to shittify us more. Yay. 

Another day, another Brexit circle jerk.

Yet another British politician ignoring that [Brexit wasn’t an economic decision](https://media.ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CSI-Brexit-4-People%E2%80%99s-Stated-Reasons-for-Voting-Leave.pdf) and perpetuating the myth that [the EU’s primary purpose is to improve commerce in Europe](https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/02/08/trade-is-not-and-never-has-been-the-reason-for-the-european-unions-existence/).

This myth is at least in part responsible for the rise in Euroscepticism (in an already Eurosceptical country) in the years leading up to the Brexit referendum, the pretence in British politics that the EU was mostly an economic union became increasingly untenable in the face of issues like the [European Migrant Crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_European_migrant_crisis).

The myth also explains why so many of the upvoted comments in this thread and others like it crow about turkeys voting for Christmas or lampoon the ridiculous [Vote Leave battle bus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Leave_bus), too many people still believe that fundamentally the question of being a member of the EU is an economic one, it is not.

The pretence hasn’t come from the EU’s side, it has always been clear its ambitions are much larger than merely economic ones. The union’s mission statement is laid out in [Article 1 of the Treaty on European Union](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/teu_2016/art_1/oj/eng):

> This Treaty marks a new stage in the process of creating an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe

Ever closer union in general; nothing about the economy, trade, or commerce (you have to get to [point 3 of Article 3](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/teu_2016/art_3/oj/eng) for that).

I think in ignoring this, us Brits might be acting more like ostriches than turkeys.

Does the EU particularly want a member whose population only wants to be there for the economic benefits and doesn’t appear to be interested in ever closer union? I suspect not.

Which is probably why we also see so many on these threads highlight the ongoing popularity of Farage and Reform in the UK. Yes that is not very different from the AFD in Germany or the National Rally in France, but it does highlight that the Eurosceptic core in the UK hasn’t gone away and being considered responsible for Brexit is not a political career ender in the country.

This is all before we consider the specifics of what rejoining the EU would mean. There are obvious questions around whether the UK would have to adopt the Euro, join Schengen, and participate in the Common Security and Defence Policy. What about the rebate? I suspect all the potential answers to those questions are either unacceptable to the UK or unacceptable to the EU.

While this means that I think the UK returning to EU as a full member is all but impossible unless something dramatically changed, that doesn’t mean more can’t be done. My hope is that Canada’s pivot to Europe in the face of the belligerence from the US, might lead to the EU to becoming more open to joining the [CPTPP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_and_Progressive_Agreement_for_Trans-Pacific_Partnership) as was [proposed by Sweden last year](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/sweden-propose-eu-membership-pacific-rim-free-trade-group-cptpp-2025-05-13/). This, along with any further reduction of trade barriers that can be agreed between us, would do a lot to address any economic issues that have truly been caused by Brexit, while also benefiting the EU as well.

I think a few scumbags have done quite well off it. Most of them in the Tory party or now defected to Reform.

Choo Choo, the fucking gravy train is leaving the station.