Developers trying to milk the system for profit? Who would have thought!?
RizzMeister67 on
Where were the safeguards preventing this from happening?
miseconor on
I thought the whole point of requiring private developments to include a portion of social housing was because it was better to mix them?
Firing ahead with fully social housing developments seems a case of buttering both sides of your bread
Ultimately supply is supply. We have plenty of people trying to buy who are being left behind too.
Dannyforsure on
Wild to build a full estate of social housing. Clearly nothing has been learned for how that paired with poor council enforcement for bad behavior turns out.
59reach on

damsonella on
In other news, water is wet.
Substantial-Gene1093 on
Can someone explain to me why we are supposed to be angry about this? Because it’s a property-related story, cleary I am meant to be angry.
vanKlompf on
So? More homes available to buy. What is the issue here actually?
N81Warrior on
It’s like banging your head against a wall. The local authorities must stop depending on private developers to provide social housing. We need a government-backed, non-profit developer that ensures value for taxpayers‘ money. I’m tired of seeing my taxes fund private companies. The same frustration applies to utilities and waste management.
TheCunningFool on
Great news for people in Carlow looking to buy their first home, who I’m sure were originally disappointed to hear the estate wouldn’t be available for them.
Additional-Sock8980 on
The article says the switch was made due to rising costs.
My view is it’s better for the developers company to live to fight another day. If they stay in business (yes with profit) they can start another development, then another.
But if they sell all below cost, they won’t be able to ever build again.
It’s not rocket science.
Also the idea of mixing social housing with pricate is to avoid gettos. If all a kid sees is parents on social welfare help thats what they will aspire to. How sad a statement on society, that people on median salaries need housing to be “social housing”.
Efficient_Log_2007 on
Surely the way to so social housing is a council or ABH, buys the land and hires a construction compnay to come in and build the houses like it always was.
So in this case the developer built the houses with the expectation that the AHB would buy the homes, the cost of building went up so the developer put them on general sale.
This is absolutely ridiculous, its time for the state to employ firms to build social housing. You can still get the mix this way too, plenty of people on decent salaries cannot afford to buy, may have missed some payments on loans during COVID and can’t get a mortgage but will pay 16% of income on rent for a social home.
Can achieve the mix the government are looking for that way.
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sureyouknowurself on
What’s the issue? I don’t think private land should be gifted to those dependent on the state.
Conscious_Handle_427 on
Why is this bad? Working people get more supply
HarryEastwoods on
The state of those cheap lego houses though. there’s no way they cost or are worth 100s of 1000s. I agree with youse when you realise half those houses are going to the ‚full time mammys‘ and the ‚deadbeat daddies‘ of which the Tullow councils housing list is populated with.
A quick look around local facebook comments and it’s disheartening to know that several people who are getting these houses are being moved from other failed social housing estates in Tullow because of having more dole babies and criminal behaviour. Don’t get trapped buying one of these shitboxes knowing half that estate will be a warzone in a few weeks time.
Incidentally there is a ghost estate called Glendale in Tullow, not far from this place, that has been idle for years and has 70 houses just sitting there but no one cares… so let’s keep building more!
I wonder how much more comfortable, peaceful and productive the country would be, if everyone was provided a home for life based on a percentage of their monthly net income (after expenses) and therapy. Every home would be subject to a friendly inspection on a regular but not excessive basis. Every person struggling emotionally would have someone to talk to at least once a week. And there would be no homeless bar those so mentally unwell that they would be brought to a hospital and rehabilitated or placed in a safe and secure home.
The government could hire permanent teams of builders and developers, purchase or produce building materials in bulk to minimise costs, and follow similar standards nationwide, including the need for community hubs to bring neighbours together and give kids places to socialise, exercise and learn sports.
Imagine never needing to worry about rising interest rates. Or if something horrible happens you’ve a professional waiting to support you. Imagine kids teens and adults all feeling at home and safe, every day.
We wouldn’t have this neverending tug of war between social housing and private ownership.
ChaosActual on
Are we supposed to feel sorry for the women with children mentioned in the article who have to wait a bit longer for their forever homes
The Fathers are nowhere to be seen I guess so now they are the state’s responsibility
StrangerExistingFact on
*Residents who have been waiting for years on the council housing list expressed fury at the “absolute farce” around the handling of the handover of the units.*
Words like *waiting*, *fury* and *handover* (of brand new houses?!) is what makes all this so fundamentally wrong.
Also all this new builds should have clear statement in buying contract how many will he sold to private buyers and how many will be social. Sinking in 500k for house to realise you are the only one paying tax in your street might be rude awakening 4 years down the line
Foreign-Entrance-255 on
Of course this will happen. Developers are overwhelmingly concerned with increasing profit which is why the govt should have legislated for strong sanctions on developers who break contracts and laws like this. It is also why the govt should have set up a public house building company about 15 years ago (or any time since) and built public housing, publicly built affordable housing and affordable rentals rather than doing what they’ve done since the 90s and let the cards fall where they may.
Ok-Conflict8603 on
Developer clearly got pissed off waiting on CHI to close the sale
SAmmo1990 on
Private development should not be sold for social housing. This is one reason why property prices continue to go up.
21stCenturyVole on
There should be a right to housing enshrined in the constitution that allows people to take the government to court for not providing enough social housing.
bansheebones456 on
There would be less apprehension about social housing if councils actually booted people out who are causing problems a lot quicker.
G1ForceX on
the new houses are beautiful but if the teens in the estate are wild and not controlled its a nightmare for residents, the problem is the parents of wild teens dont care and too many of those families and the estate turns bad in the end
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Developers trying to milk the system for profit? Who would have thought!?
Where were the safeguards preventing this from happening?
I thought the whole point of requiring private developments to include a portion of social housing was because it was better to mix them?
Firing ahead with fully social housing developments seems a case of buttering both sides of your bread
Ultimately supply is supply. We have plenty of people trying to buy who are being left behind too.
Wild to build a full estate of social housing. Clearly nothing has been learned for how that paired with poor council enforcement for bad behavior turns out.

In other news, water is wet.
Can someone explain to me why we are supposed to be angry about this? Because it’s a property-related story, cleary I am meant to be angry.
So? More homes available to buy. What is the issue here actually?
It’s like banging your head against a wall. The local authorities must stop depending on private developers to provide social housing. We need a government-backed, non-profit developer that ensures value for taxpayers‘ money. I’m tired of seeing my taxes fund private companies. The same frustration applies to utilities and waste management.
Great news for people in Carlow looking to buy their first home, who I’m sure were originally disappointed to hear the estate wouldn’t be available for them.
The article says the switch was made due to rising costs.
My view is it’s better for the developers company to live to fight another day. If they stay in business (yes with profit) they can start another development, then another.
But if they sell all below cost, they won’t be able to ever build again.
It’s not rocket science.
Also the idea of mixing social housing with pricate is to avoid gettos. If all a kid sees is parents on social welfare help thats what they will aspire to. How sad a statement on society, that people on median salaries need housing to be “social housing”.
Surely the way to so social housing is a council or ABH, buys the land and hires a construction compnay to come in and build the houses like it always was.
So in this case the developer built the houses with the expectation that the AHB would buy the homes, the cost of building went up so the developer put them on general sale.
This is absolutely ridiculous, its time for the state to employ firms to build social housing. You can still get the mix this way too, plenty of people on decent salaries cannot afford to buy, may have missed some payments on loans during COVID and can’t get a mortgage but will pay 16% of income on rent for a social home.
Can achieve the mix the government are looking for that way.
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What’s the issue? I don’t think private land should be gifted to those dependent on the state.
Why is this bad? Working people get more supply
The state of those cheap lego houses though. there’s no way they cost or are worth 100s of 1000s. I agree with youse when you realise half those houses are going to the ‚full time mammys‘ and the ‚deadbeat daddies‘ of which the Tullow councils housing list is populated with.
A quick look around local facebook comments and it’s disheartening to know that several people who are getting these houses are being moved from other failed social housing estates in Tullow because of having more dole babies and criminal behaviour. Don’t get trapped buying one of these shitboxes knowing half that estate will be a warzone in a few weeks time.
Incidentally there is a ghost estate called Glendale in Tullow, not far from this place, that has been idle for years and has 70 houses just sitting there but no one cares… so let’s keep building more!
[https://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/news/council-plan-to-bulldoze-houses-halted-by-abp_arid-28268.html](https://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/news/council-plan-to-bulldoze-houses-halted-by-abp_arid-28268.html)
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I wonder how much more comfortable, peaceful and productive the country would be, if everyone was provided a home for life based on a percentage of their monthly net income (after expenses) and therapy. Every home would be subject to a friendly inspection on a regular but not excessive basis. Every person struggling emotionally would have someone to talk to at least once a week. And there would be no homeless bar those so mentally unwell that they would be brought to a hospital and rehabilitated or placed in a safe and secure home.
The government could hire permanent teams of builders and developers, purchase or produce building materials in bulk to minimise costs, and follow similar standards nationwide, including the need for community hubs to bring neighbours together and give kids places to socialise, exercise and learn sports.
Imagine never needing to worry about rising interest rates. Or if something horrible happens you’ve a professional waiting to support you. Imagine kids teens and adults all feeling at home and safe, every day.
We wouldn’t have this neverending tug of war between social housing and private ownership.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for the women with children mentioned in the article who have to wait a bit longer for their forever homes
The Fathers are nowhere to be seen I guess so now they are the state’s responsibility
*Residents who have been waiting for years on the council housing list expressed fury at the “absolute farce” around the handling of the handover of the units.*
Words like *waiting*, *fury* and *handover* (of brand new houses?!) is what makes all this so fundamentally wrong.
Also all this new builds should have clear statement in buying contract how many will he sold to private buyers and how many will be social. Sinking in 500k for house to realise you are the only one paying tax in your street might be rude awakening 4 years down the line
Of course this will happen. Developers are overwhelmingly concerned with increasing profit which is why the govt should have legislated for strong sanctions on developers who break contracts and laws like this. It is also why the govt should have set up a public house building company about 15 years ago (or any time since) and built public housing, publicly built affordable housing and affordable rentals rather than doing what they’ve done since the 90s and let the cards fall where they may.
Developer clearly got pissed off waiting on CHI to close the sale
Private development should not be sold for social housing. This is one reason why property prices continue to go up.
There should be a right to housing enshrined in the constitution that allows people to take the government to court for not providing enough social housing.
There would be less apprehension about social housing if councils actually booted people out who are causing problems a lot quicker.
the new houses are beautiful but if the teens in the estate are wild and not controlled its a nightmare for residents, the problem is the parents of wild teens dont care and too many of those families and the estate turns bad in the end