Laut Quellen könnte Ottawas gemischte Flotte aus F-35 und Gripen mehr als 100 Flugzeuge umfassen | CBC-Nachrichten
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-gripen-saab-lockheed-martin-canadian-armed-forces-9.7225549
Laut Quellen könnte Ottawas gemischte Flotte aus F-35 und Gripen mehr als 100 Flugzeuge umfassen | CBC-Nachrichten
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-gripen-saab-lockheed-martin-canadian-armed-forces-9.7225549
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Good way to tide us over until we get 6th gen GCAP fighters. Then we can use the F35s for the Snowbirds and the Gripens can be kept in use.
Seems reasonable. Given our geography (and large size), we should have a big air force (and Navy) with a small elite mechanized army.
I know very little on the subject but I’m wondering with the advances in cheaper unmanned drones whether so much should be invested in fighter jets. I imagine that there will always be a need for a minimum number of fighter jets but I would think with a country as large as Canada that unmanned remotely piloted drones would be a much more economical way to patrol the skies.
This is good news, Canada needs more than 88 planes. I finished reading the article, 140 aircraft is very good , better than I hoped. The consultant should not be listened to because he’s a lobbyist for America.
Good.
The RCAF can fly the Gripens (at 25% the cost per hour of operation compared to the F35) while the F35 are out of service with software glitches abd/or because the Yanks have pulled out all the spare parts (as is their right by the contract language and which they did to the Danes, coincidentally at the same time they were threatening Greenland).
This is what I was hoping might be the advantage to the mixed fleet. With the CF-18s, we originally had 138. And yet, when we ordered the F35s, we were ordering less then 90. If the Gripens are indeed cheaper to buy and run, part of the reason we should be having a mixed fleet is just so we can have more fighter jets at our disposal.
If you all read the article Ottawa is still planning on 72-88 F35s as planned. Then add Gripens on top of that of up to 72. Honestly probably makes both sides of the argument happy. That’s a lot of fighters though wow!
“But a former deputy commander of the RCAF, who is now a lobbyist at CFN Consultants, said the military has been seeking an early warning aircraft that has a 360-degree radar capability, remains fully operational during sharp banking turns and can be refuelled in flight.
„The current version of GlobalEye in operational use has none of these capabilities,“ retired major-general Colin Keiver said in a recent post on LinkedIn.
At CFN Consultants, Keiver has been working with companies such as Lockheed Martin and L3 Technologies Canada, which are in competition with Saab.”
Why do we allow this?
Sounds good to me
Pretty weak
Canada’s planned purchase of 88 F35’s was a “peacetime” amount and honestly Canada is punching below its weight with only 88 fighters.
Remember it purchased 138 F18’s and it has a much larger economy and population since then.
The post-cold war era is over now completely and Canada has to stand on its own feet; especially with a less reliable US beside it.
So the concept of a 144 aircraft fighter fleet may seem like “a lot of aircraft “ but that’s just from the frame of view that Canada has its smallest Air Force since before WW2.
Considering the circumstances, I’m not surprised it’s looking to expand its aircraft force. Nobody should be.
Of course, the US would have to actually deliver the F35s.
What a disgraceful waste. Who are we ever going to fight? The money should be spent on the problems of aging, don’t these guys know they are going to be old like me, and then they will wonder wtf they were thinking.
See now this is a outcome that is actually good. We get the F-35s we need and we can add a large stock of lower tech fighters to be used at home and after the F-35s have done their job during any conflict.
I cant see the US being too upset to block the export licenses needed for the Gripen, we keep jobs from LM & get jobs from Saab, and we get a more secure military as a whole.
If Canada wants to be serious about building its military capacity, then buying both jets is the way to go. The RCAF is at it’s smallest in decades and must be expanded.
Both aircraft have their strengths and weaknesses. The F35 has better stealth capabilities whilst the Gripen is easier to maintain and better suits a harsh northern climate.
Well no shit eh?
Do we have 100 pilots?
How long does it take to secure an order for some planes? It has been years that we have been reading about this.
You can not compare WWII production numbers and active service numbers with modern aircraft.
It takes a lot longer to punch out a F35 or Gripen than a Spitfire or BF 209 and the costs for production and operation are a lot higher.
The US is behind by years on missles stockpiles and the west is struggling with artillery inventory because of the burn rate in the Ukraine Russian war.
Of course Canada/the west have much smaller fleets than during WWII. The Canadian airforce had a little over 600 to 800 fighters – bomber in 1945. If you take population and GDP to match NATO averages we should be looking at over 200 aircraft but our borders are substantially longer to patrol so that should be factored in (augment with drones perhaps).
Now we’re talking.
Why are we spending billions on manned aircraft when they’re a few years away from being replaced by AI-piloted drones?
Just put the order in. I’d like to see them in my lifetime.
F35s for first strike and air dominance missions gripens for area air defence and interceptions?
6 to fly over the Capitol Building on Canada Day and 94 as backup
Nothing’s been delivered yet folks.
Civilians on Reddit are hilarious.
The people lobbying for Gripens will never fly or work on them, and people should also know that there are about 20 in existence right now.
Ordering 80+ means we have to wait over a decade to get them as they have to make them for Ukraine, Brazil, Columbia, Thailand.
They are also not combat proven, meaning the Gripen E model will do missions with absolutely no idea if it will perform its advertised capabilities without fail.
The RCAF does not care about maintenance or flight costs. We fly the CH-148 Cyclone which costs more than a F-22 Raptor per hour, and it’s also a unicorn, which means nobody else has it and we have spare parts issues.
In case people don’t see, politicians do not buy military equipment based on effectiveness and performance, they buy it based on jobs and economy. Put Joly as industrial minister means we will buy second or third best because they offer more „jobs“