Der Schweizer Nationalrat hat einer Motion zur Einführung einer „Sicherheitsabgabe“ für in der Schweiz lebende Ausländer zugestimmt.
Die Idee ist, dass es der Militärdienstersatzsteuer ähneln würde, die Schweizer Bürger (Männer) zahlen, wenn sie nicht dienen.
Wird die Schweiz mit der 10-Millionen-Initiative und den etwas gruseligen Plakaten tatsächlich ausländerfeindlicher, oder macht das nur die Politik?
https://www.nau.ch/news/schweiz/nationalrat-will-sicherheitsabgabe-fur-auslander-einfuhren-67135619
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Die Suppe wird heisser gekocht, als sie gegessen wird.
Low-tax parties…
I suggest then there should also be a motion to “voting rights” and “social welfare support” for Foreigners similar to Swiss citizens.
In principle everything should be same in all aspects
I guess once you close the castle gates to anyone else after the 10m charade you’ve got to milk every last sweet tax Franc out of the ones who remain…
Would swiss women who don’t serve in the army also need to pay the security tax?
>Der Motionstext lässt offen, ob auch Frauen davon betroffen wären.
This would be a rather interesting point, and I think the introduction of such a tax might need some revamping of how the citizens are taxed as well: should Swiss women also get compulsary military service?
If something like this gets passed, I think it’s a matter of time until the EU closes borders with Switzerland. There won’t be a Switzerland long after that.
Hostile? So foreigners should enjoy the safety and security and contribute nothing?
Can’t we just put the foreigners into the military so we don’t have to? We always put foreigners into the dirtiest jobs, and it worked well for us so far?
Finde ich gut:
1. werden Schweizer Männer aktuell vor dem Gesetz gegenüber Ausländer und Frauen benachteiligt, weil niemand sonst eine Wehrpflichtersatzabgabe bezahlen muss.
2. Wäre dies eine elegante Möglichkeit die Schweiz für Einwanderung unattraktiver zu machen ohne die Bilateralen zu verletzen, auch wenn es im Graubereich ist.
(3. würde ich für alle Schweizer den Service Citoyen einführen)
Nobody agrees on this, so who can we tax ? -> Those who can’t oppose it.
Couragious politics.
Oh that’s actually really a great way to make people leave. The fact that immigrants contribute to the system equally but don’t have the same benefits is already a great incentive to live here
Laut KI würde es rechtlich nicht durchkommen
The xenophobic slippery slope has begun, I’ll go get the popcorn!
It’s about time… Seriously.
Would be interesting to see if other countries consider the same measures on Swiss citizens living there. It would only be fair, right?
tax, tax, tax anybody
>is Switzerland actually becoming more hostile to foreigners,
Switzerland has always been hostile to foreigners. Have you forgotten the [hidden children](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/foreign-children-forced-to-grow-up-in-the-closet-call-for-apology/47112596)?
If it’s about paying for what you use and not paying for what you don’t use, please return my taxes of the last decades that went for education, as I never stepped on a swiss school, or the social welfare I pay for the swiss, including the AHV receivers that will have the luxury of a 13th salary, when foreigners pay much more (as they’re younger in average) and receive less.
The sheer stupidity is amazing. Just for the record, I am happy to pay my taxes in the country I chose to live in, and pay for the education system and other things „I don’t use“ because unlike the mononeuronal, oxygen deprived at birth SVP politicians and their dropped on their head as a baby supporters, I want to live in a society of educated, healthy people who can see beyond their own fucking ass.
And blaming the foreigners has worked very well throughout history, but remember we only pay and we don’t vote, so all the political problems off this country are on the swiss and the swiss alone.
The EU is going to have a thought on that.
So it’s like the mob now?
Is it becoming more hostile to foreigners or do foreigners lose an advantage?
Not a fan of the military and they certainly haven’t shown that they deserve a single CHF of additional funding, but this is a move in the right direction. It cannot be that exclusively CH men are getting punished by the current system by either paying a ludicrous tax or having to serve and then face issues with employers who don’t understand the CH system and then rather hire a cheaper foreigner that doesn’t have to do Zivi or WKs.
Obviously this is just putting a band aid on a bullet hole, the entire system needs an overhaul. The service citoyen initiative was pretty good in this regard, everyone should do either some service or pay.
i’d encourage you folks to read comments under any fb post that hits your feed (many of them are promoted). The amount of hostility both between people voting yes/no as well as the whole SVP propaganda…
A good exercise is to replace the word ‚immigrant‘ with ‚the Swiss‘ in the comments and see how does that make you feel – if it’s annoying, imagine what the immigrants are reading every day.
I am concerned about personal safety, given what happened post brexit in the UK (people went nuts) as well as long term effects of the voting result being a ‚yes‘.
And just for the record – i speak fluent German, have a job, pay taxes etc.
From my perspective it’s the outcome of inviting many companies to move their HQ to CH because of low taxes, followed by migration because this creates demand for a lot of things.
This generated income from the taxes but should also be followed by macroeconomic adjustments before the crisis has hit instead of ‚we will deal with it later, let’s enjoy the cash influx‘.
My personal take on this is – you want to tax foreigners like the citizens, treat them with at least part of the respect you would expect towards the citizens. I’m looking at the SVP posters about immigrants raping 11 times more or 9/10 apartments being built for foreigners – that have been proved as made up. To me it feels like the general reaction of the society is either ‚ah yes, SVP is gonna SVP as they always do‘ and part of the voters don’t even mind seeing stuff that is getting out of hand.
Luckily i have a place to come back to and if things get nasty since i don’t have kids going to school here or something.
I came here at 30. I’m now 41, in process to becoming a citizen. I had to wait 10 years before I could even apply. I had no opportunity to serve. How the fuck is this fair? Then let me choose to serve at 41 when I become citizen.
Swiss military or taxe should be for everyone (including women ofc) or none. If you want a milicia, it should concerns all the citizen otherwise go with a professional army. Nowadays it’s just a costly farce. But good luck changing the mentality of 1) those who don’t want women or foreigners concerned, and it include a shitload of people in charge 2) women and foreigners that are usually less vocal about equality when it concerns their own pocket.
I’ve been living in Switzerland for 16 yesrs now (I’m Swiss now), and I’ve never seen Switzerland not hostile to foreigners (you’re only tolerated if you are extremely rich).
I moved right about the time SVP did the black sheep being kicked out to France by a flock of white sheep, it didn’t particularly feel welcoming
Anyone is anyday a foreigner somewhere… think about this when you vote!
„SVP parliamentary group spokesman Mauro Tuena (ZH) argued that additional funds for national defense were needed. He stated that currently around a quarter of the population benefits from Switzerland’s defense capabilities, but makes no direct contribution themselves, even though they pay taxes .
Defense Minister Martin Pfister unsuccessfully opposed the proposal. He stated that foreigners are not eligible for military service and have no political participation rights. Therefore, adding this requirement would lead to unequal treatment.“
Does SVP know women exist? And are you guys sure it’s a good idea when literally defense minister is opposing it?
If such a tax is introduced, maybe exempt everyone who as served in the military of any specified country (including Switzerland, EU, USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.) for a sufficient amount of time.
That would be fair because then Swiss and foreign men would be treated equally. The EU wouldn’t be able to argue against that.
Nah, it’s still good. Foreigners pay waaaaaaaaay more taxes in any other European country. In some European countries, they have tax brackets of 50%.
They will still come happily to Switzerland with a security tax.
That would open a can of worms. What about if you already served your military service and are still being able to be drafted in a case of war in a foreign country and therefore would be exempt anyways from the military tax? It’s not that easy.
If swiss women don’t pay that tax then why should foreign men have to pay it? And why make the distinction between foreign men and women since neither of them can serve anyways.
I don’t know what to say…as a foreigner in Switzerland the constant targeting from some Swiss right-wing politicians is tiresome.
Being the scapegoat for every problem is tiresome.
And the hypocrisy..I have a coworker, she often complains about immigrants profiting of the Swiss system, the usual « they come from the money and they don’t work ».
I often like to remember her that I am also an immigrant and when you dig a little it is also about racism. I am white, a « good » immigrant, apparently I am not part of the problem.
The worst is she is a Swiss descending from immigrants… anyway.
Think all the foreigners working in Switzerland should organise a strike for a few days. Let them feel what breaks without them.
good – they know the 10mio ini will fail and now they can cash in
As an expat, I believe I should pay the same as a Swiss person.
But an extra tax for expats sounds discriminatory.
Instead, why not change the existing tax to apply to everyone instead?