>“It’s really inhibiting any type of business, reconciliation, any type of moving forward here in Alberta.”
Another chief, Allan Adam of Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, called on Smith to resign.
“This Premier is totally lost, gone, got no credibility left. She’s swimming in muddy water, and she has no place to go. The best thing for her to do is to resign.”
Mercredi said Treaty 8 First Nations are prepared to mobilize if the province doesn’t consider their demands by stopping industry, among other tactics.
“How does Alberta expect to move forward as a sovereign (nation) when all of the resources and lands belong to the treaty people?”
BaryonChallon on
As they should! It’s clearly foreign interference disguised as a movement!
dingleberryjuice on
”How does Alberta expect to move forward as a sovereign (nation) when all of the resources and lands belong to the treaty people?”
Doesn’t bode well for your point if you have to base your message on outright falsehoods.
limadeltah on
This seems like an excellent way to make the separatists arguments for them and legitimize their grievances….
We should be able to *both* despise the notion of Alberta separating, and see the problem with one group being allowed to leverage „civil disobedience“ (likely meaning the blockade of critical infrastructure) to prevent others from voting on something.
To point to how this specific referendum on a referendum was called as flawed may be valid, although I think pointless ultimately.
But FNs using their special rights as leverage over everyone else is a persistent and increasingly divisive feature of Canadian politics. To make matters worse, much of their messaging contains blatant misinformation regarding the meaning of treaties and what is written in section 35, and is often primarily aimed at further their own interests and leverage rather than considering the interests of everyone more broadly.
Sheogorath_The_Mad on
Yeah sorry… natives don’t have a veto over democratic processes, no matter how stupid the question might be.
AngryTrucker on
They can demand all they want lol.
CMac_36 on
Canada isn’t a true democracy where everyone’s voice counts equality. The East makes all the decisions and First Nations get veto power over major decisions along with billions of dollars. That’s how Confederation was structured and the sooner the separatists learn this reality the better.
VesaAwesaka on
Do they actually want that? What would be the consquences of the premier coming out and announcing „we have decided to cancel the referendum because first nations demand that we do it“
Better to just let the referendum happen given its very likely to give results that the first nations wants. That way they avoid the ire of those who dont feel like first nations should have control over the province.
ryansalad on
Why? The question is perfectly legitimate.
Thomas Lukaszuk put in a lot of effort to ensure that his question couldn’t be challenged by the courts.
ThomasToIndia on
One of the way this thing can be killed is if Canada decides right now that if the separate, they can’t keep their Canadian passport and will require visas to visit the rest of Canada.
The province is voting to renounce their own country, they don’t get to keep their passports if it passes or at the very least the must immediately decide which passport they want.
You don’t get your cake and eat it too.
voltairesalias on
So far there is no separation referendum.
excellent_post_guy on
citizens demanding things from their government? this is an outrage!
EP40glazer on
First Nations are probably the biggest campaigners for separation.
maxgrody on
This is why I think
ghostdeinithegreat on
« Mercredi at a press conference Thursday »confused me for a while here
RoundJellyfish4048 on
As much as I don’t want to have my province separate and think its an awful terrible no good idea. I also hate the idea of living in a country where a special minority gets to decide everything we are, or are not allowed to do – including voting on a fucking question.
Native people should get a seat at the table for this discussion. They don’t get to dictate the whole thing.
Temporary_Cry_2802 on
You do know what the word straightforward means, right?
NihilsitcTruth on
Who cares what they think or request.
LeGrandLucifer on
Yes, please tell these people that there is no peaceful way to achieve their goals, that’ll end well! /s
kakuki19 on
Another option is for them to vote against separating.
randobis on
Every time FN holds a press conference there is always one dude in full feathered headpiece and traditional attire and every other dude looking like they walked out of a Tim Horton’s off highway 17 N.
Immediate_Buffalo14 on
It’s a question about a question. There’s no constitutional duty to consult at that stage. With that said, it’s likely just to get voted down anyway.
Toast_22 on
First Nations need to be on an equivalent basis as the rest of the citizens. I don’t understand why they’re allocated so much veto power on every issue
Lower-Noise-9406 on
First nations get very little support or respect here in this sub-reddit. Just an observation.
Olderpostie on
Isn’t a referendum simply a tool to gather the attitude of the public on a subject? This Alberta separation referendum has no defined clauses relating to the future relationship with Canada. Anything of a tangible nature will be the subject of a future referendum if this passes. The attitude expressed by many First Nations leaders seems undemocratic and counterproductive to their stated concerns, by turning the public against them. (By the way, it is my fervent wish that this referendum goes against separation.)
Puzzled-Opening658 on
Why don’t the separatists do what our parents and grandparents used to do in the old days, and emigrate? This is clearly driven an intense desire by their leaders to be American. They’re not fooling anyone
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>“It’s really inhibiting any type of business, reconciliation, any type of moving forward here in Alberta.”
Another chief, Allan Adam of Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, called on Smith to resign.
“This Premier is totally lost, gone, got no credibility left. She’s swimming in muddy water, and she has no place to go. The best thing for her to do is to resign.”
Mercredi said Treaty 8 First Nations are prepared to mobilize if the province doesn’t consider their demands by stopping industry, among other tactics.
“How does Alberta expect to move forward as a sovereign (nation) when all of the resources and lands belong to the treaty people?”
As they should! It’s clearly foreign interference disguised as a movement!
”How does Alberta expect to move forward as a sovereign (nation) when all of the resources and lands belong to the treaty people?”
Doesn’t bode well for your point if you have to base your message on outright falsehoods.
This seems like an excellent way to make the separatists arguments for them and legitimize their grievances….
We should be able to *both* despise the notion of Alberta separating, and see the problem with one group being allowed to leverage „civil disobedience“ (likely meaning the blockade of critical infrastructure) to prevent others from voting on something.
To point to how this specific referendum on a referendum was called as flawed may be valid, although I think pointless ultimately.
But FNs using their special rights as leverage over everyone else is a persistent and increasingly divisive feature of Canadian politics. To make matters worse, much of their messaging contains blatant misinformation regarding the meaning of treaties and what is written in section 35, and is often primarily aimed at further their own interests and leverage rather than considering the interests of everyone more broadly.
Yeah sorry… natives don’t have a veto over democratic processes, no matter how stupid the question might be.
They can demand all they want lol.
Canada isn’t a true democracy where everyone’s voice counts equality. The East makes all the decisions and First Nations get veto power over major decisions along with billions of dollars. That’s how Confederation was structured and the sooner the separatists learn this reality the better.
Do they actually want that? What would be the consquences of the premier coming out and announcing „we have decided to cancel the referendum because first nations demand that we do it“
Better to just let the referendum happen given its very likely to give results that the first nations wants. That way they avoid the ire of those who dont feel like first nations should have control over the province.
Why? The question is perfectly legitimate.
Thomas Lukaszuk put in a lot of effort to ensure that his question couldn’t be challenged by the courts.
One of the way this thing can be killed is if Canada decides right now that if the separate, they can’t keep their Canadian passport and will require visas to visit the rest of Canada.
The province is voting to renounce their own country, they don’t get to keep their passports if it passes or at the very least the must immediately decide which passport they want.
You don’t get your cake and eat it too.
So far there is no separation referendum.
citizens demanding things from their government? this is an outrage!
First Nations are probably the biggest campaigners for separation.
This is why I think
« Mercredi at a press conference Thursday »confused me for a while here
As much as I don’t want to have my province separate and think its an awful terrible no good idea. I also hate the idea of living in a country where a special minority gets to decide everything we are, or are not allowed to do – including voting on a fucking question.
Native people should get a seat at the table for this discussion. They don’t get to dictate the whole thing.
You do know what the word straightforward means, right?
Who cares what they think or request.
Yes, please tell these people that there is no peaceful way to achieve their goals, that’ll end well! /s
Another option is for them to vote against separating.
Every time FN holds a press conference there is always one dude in full feathered headpiece and traditional attire and every other dude looking like they walked out of a Tim Horton’s off highway 17 N.
It’s a question about a question. There’s no constitutional duty to consult at that stage. With that said, it’s likely just to get voted down anyway.
First Nations need to be on an equivalent basis as the rest of the citizens. I don’t understand why they’re allocated so much veto power on every issue
First nations get very little support or respect here in this sub-reddit. Just an observation.
Isn’t a referendum simply a tool to gather the attitude of the public on a subject? This Alberta separation referendum has no defined clauses relating to the future relationship with Canada. Anything of a tangible nature will be the subject of a future referendum if this passes. The attitude expressed by many First Nations leaders seems undemocratic and counterproductive to their stated concerns, by turning the public against them. (By the way, it is my fervent wish that this referendum goes against separation.)
Why don’t the separatists do what our parents and grandparents used to do in the old days, and emigrate? This is clearly driven an intense desire by their leaders to be American. They’re not fooling anyone