Kinder von Ersthelfern des 11. September erleben Auswirkungen auf ihre psychische Gesundheit. Forscher sagen, dass die Studie ein Beispiel dafür ist, wie Traumata zwischen den Generationen weitergegeben werden können, selbst wenn Kinder nicht das gleiche traumatische Ereignis erleben.
https://journals.plos.org/mentalhealth/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmen.0000574&utm_source=pr&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=plos006
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The usa never cared about 9/11 first responders, what makes you thing they will care about their children.
Yes yes, this is very common and well established.
Most common reactions to having a parent with PTSD is to have a child with C-PTSD, and since the children are exposed during key development phases, they also often develop an illness known as toxic stress.
Toxic stress affects upto 17% of Americans.
We didn’t need 9/11 to know this. Look at the effects of intergenerational trauma on indigenous peoples in colonised countries across the world.
Yep, as somebody from northern ireland this is very apparent in our mental health statistics.
Trauma experienced by a large number of people will then affect the next generation.
This is most evident with the soldiers who came back from world war II. These highly traumaticized men change society and created what we call now toxic masculinity as they experience horrors which severely affected their ability to parent, specifically young boys.
Pete Davidson is in the news again
This is interesting. I’m originally from NYC and was a kid during 9/11. I don’t think I’ve ever once felt a strong emotion about it myself, and it faded into the background very quickly for the most part.
The one thing that stands out though was sitting with a friend of mine who was freaking out because his father was a firefighter and he couldn’t get in touch. I sat with him to calm him down for a bit, but then my father came and picked me up so when I left he was in the same state apparently.
He wasn’t in school after and I left that school myself for other reasons not long after so we lost touch (I have always had a tendency to not get particularly close.) When 9/11 comes up I often wonder how that all went for him.
I always thought of it like fine if his father got home. Not a whole lot of good scenarios likely there otherwise, but my own lack of feeling made the reality of PTSD if he was ok not even cross my mind ever.
Always intriguing to have a blind spot highlighted so thoroughly.
When covid lockdown first happened I worked healthcare and saw a fair bit of death up close, and that’s another thing that hasn’t really hit anywhere in spite of proximity so this is all fairly foreign to me. Not that I can’t grasp how PTSD works once it’s there, it just doesn’t immediately register that things like that from that side are also traumatic.
This seems like very unimpressive research to me.
The study uses people who volunteered for an online survey.
I see no evidence the experimental design accounted for the obvious self-selection danger, which is amplified by their use of these self selected subjects to recruit the adult offspring for the study. So we have two layers of experimental selection the experiment did not control for and can’t account for.
This doesn’t feel like science to me at all.
And if this is the kind of evidence being used to understand trauma and its effects we’re in trouble.
Self-selected online surveys are barely rigorous enough to be used for polling purposes, i.e. helping people to bet better. They’re not a tool for true knowledge creation.
Some issues:.
The report claims a significant incidence of alcohol abuse and depression (and other things) among that second generation, but did they control for it, i.e. did they do the same kind of survey – with the same kind of self-selection biases – among first responders who had no connection with 9/11? Perhaps first responders from a different city, or different country?
Did they control for adrenaline junkies who enter the first responder workforce?
Did they control for all the mentally healthy first responders who wouldn’t respond? Or those who didn’t want to involve their children?
I did not read the complete study. I confess, but I did read the complete abstract, and I could see no mention it that they were even aware that these were real concerns.
Which is another big red flag for me.
Is this science or pandering?
Every time I see an article about trauma and how devastating it can be always makes me chuckle a bit. Sure trauma can cause changes in people but acting like being „traumatized“ isn’t the natural human state is funny. Trauma is relative, if your world is perfect then any little change will cause a traumatic event. A normal human experience is full of trauma and part of life is learning how to live with it
The epigenetic changes from trauma can alter stress hormone regulation for up to three generations. Holocaust survivor studies showed elevated cortisol levels in grandchildren who never experienced the original trauma.
This needs replication.
Ah so the epigenetic inheritance mouse experiment proven with human data.
This isn’t more widely recognized because it affects marginalized community members at significantly higher rates than than the majority population, and there is an inherent bias in acknowledging pain that afflict minority and poor communities more than those in power.
I’ve always said if I went back to school I’d look at the impact of post-9/11 deployments in children of soldiers. My brother and I are messed up adults now and both have high ACE scores. While the question „Did a household member go to prison?“ didn’t apply to us, it feels like there’d be a lot of overlap in adverse impacts to the household for a deployment and a prison sentence.
Mfer look at slavery if you wanted to see intergenerational trauma…
DNA is the code of experience.
Yeah we know. Pete Davidson won’t stop talking about it.
My wife (college girlfriend at the time) visited New York two weeks after 9/11 and saw Ground Zero. She came back to our college and within a month she was diagnosed with asthma. Still uses an inhaler. She was in the city for less than 48 hours. I can’t imagine the physical impact on people who were there the entire time.
isn’t this true for most traumatized events passed onto children. I believe for example kids who witness a divorce between their parents, are more likely to get divorced in their marriage/not get married at all.