When rent is 75% of your paycheck for a one bedroom 40m² apartment, how can people possibly fathom bearing the cost of children?
Jakub67PL on
More micro-apartments will help
AulusVictor on
And it will fall to a new low in 2026, and 2027, and 2028 🙂
KPSWZG on
Career oriented society
To late with conciving first child
Low testosteron levels with men
To anyone saying that rent is up, war is on our border political situation is not ok. Those are all valid points but not main ones. The top ones are consistant among all nations with low birthrate.
To anyone complaining that today is bad during ww2 we still had more babies born and THAT was bad.
To anyone saying „but back then women could not decide if they want it or not“ its not wrong but at the same time its more or less 1st point of this comment. Women are saying no, more often today than they did back then but not due to the fact that thry can but the priorities shifted.
Parenthood is simply not in fashion.
I knew i will be downvoted. And thats how it is with all conversations about fertility.
If its not due to the fact that people have it bad its not true. Lets 100% ignore the fact that average Pole never had so much in their entire history.
Can anyone from downviting people give one example of low fertility and i will have a fun game of attaching it to one of said examples by me. Lets do some thinking guys that might be fun
mikelson_6 on
Why you don’t have sex
beck_is_back on
‘This is the Way the World Ends: Not with a Bang but a Whimper’
T. S. Eliot
m4st3rmin6 on
Oh no! Anyway.
Ashamed-Smell7053 on
And women still tell me that me not wanting kids is a deal breaker
Snooworlddevourer69 on
Oh no I’m so scared, country is going to be less crowded
CainJaeger on
The entire planet is currently a horrible place to live in, so why would I add even more potential costs and issues? Though honestly I dont know if less people would actually be a bad thing
Honest-Associate-997 on
It’s a world problem even in africa
Raj_ryder_666 on
Affordable housing and better healthcare and childcare will go a long way in addressing this problem.
fffffffffffrrrrrrr on
you actually see it when walking around the streets. entire villages are dying off rapidly because people look around and say „fuck that“ in regards to refilling the population of this toilet. out of all the mid 20s/30s people i know, 1 has a kid. also, the amount of adults forced to either live at home or rent a bedroom in an apartment is insane.
Playful-Demand2312 on
This is happening all over the world, from Argentina to Iran to Tunisia, are all seeing crashing tfrs now in their 1.20s
kkkpl on
I dont want to be smart ass but what are the mentioned efforts from goverment to boost the number of births? If food cheaper? Nope, its more expensive. Is the fuel cheaper? Nope, going up. Is energy cheaper? Nope, going up. Is housing cheaper? Nope, going up. Is healthcare and medicine cheaper? Nope, going up.
Possible-Moment-6313 on
On the bright side, deficit of workforce leads to wage growth and low unemployment.
star_gates on
Whenever you read headlines like POLAND IS EUROPE’S ECONOMIC MIRACLE, take a look at the fertility statistics. It all looks wonderful in numbers, but if things are going so well, then why are they so bad? Cultural factors are only part of the problem. People are overworked, tired, ultra-stressed, basic things that are needed to live and have kids – like real estate – have become luxurious. Also, the society is drastically, economically divided. Some people earn shitload of money and the rest is too wealthy to die and too poor to live normal, happy and healthy life.
TwNuOn on
Because deportations are too low
ichfickeiuliana on
Time to import some immigrants.
Comprehensive_Menu19 on
At this point, pension contributions should be optional or completely off
woopee90 on
We have to make abortion law even stricter, houses even more expensive and less affordable and close even more maternity wards – then we will finally see fertility growth!
/s
Renusek on
I just had a baby last month, I did my part.
PuzzleheadedGoose461 on
and pet counts doubled lol
midnightblue911 on
rent is %75 of salary and people can’t even feed themselves so baby? hell no dawg
kozojaddegustator on
Bihes dont want cream 🍰.
coffee_shakes on
Wild to see people having (nearly) the exact same issues in Poland as in the US. But it’s the same in so many countries currently. Can’t afford a home or decent sized apartment. Employment isn’t stable. Future looks bleak. There are minor differences from country to country, but the root issues are the same almost everywhere right now. And the politicians will have the same talking points and excuses in almost every country as well.
Mezzoski on
At this point we can also get rid of the army. Polish will be a minority here in next 10-20 years.
For whom should we even defend it?
Kagmajn on
I pay 49% my monthly salary in taxes and I can’t afford house – I wonder why
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When rent is 75% of your paycheck for a one bedroom 40m² apartment, how can people possibly fathom bearing the cost of children?
More micro-apartments will help
And it will fall to a new low in 2026, and 2027, and 2028 🙂
Career oriented society
To late with conciving first child
Low testosteron levels with men
To anyone saying that rent is up, war is on our border political situation is not ok. Those are all valid points but not main ones. The top ones are consistant among all nations with low birthrate.
To anyone complaining that today is bad during ww2 we still had more babies born and THAT was bad.
To anyone saying „but back then women could not decide if they want it or not“ its not wrong but at the same time its more or less 1st point of this comment. Women are saying no, more often today than they did back then but not due to the fact that thry can but the priorities shifted.
Parenthood is simply not in fashion.
I knew i will be downvoted. And thats how it is with all conversations about fertility.
If its not due to the fact that people have it bad its not true. Lets 100% ignore the fact that average Pole never had so much in their entire history.
Can anyone from downviting people give one example of low fertility and i will have a fun game of attaching it to one of said examples by me. Lets do some thinking guys that might be fun
Why you don’t have sex
‘This is the Way the World Ends: Not with a Bang but a Whimper’
T. S. Eliot
Oh no! Anyway.
And women still tell me that me not wanting kids is a deal breaker
Oh no I’m so scared, country is going to be less crowded
The entire planet is currently a horrible place to live in, so why would I add even more potential costs and issues? Though honestly I dont know if less people would actually be a bad thing
It’s a world problem even in africa
Affordable housing and better healthcare and childcare will go a long way in addressing this problem.
you actually see it when walking around the streets. entire villages are dying off rapidly because people look around and say „fuck that“ in regards to refilling the population of this toilet. out of all the mid 20s/30s people i know, 1 has a kid. also, the amount of adults forced to either live at home or rent a bedroom in an apartment is insane.
This is happening all over the world, from Argentina to Iran to Tunisia, are all seeing crashing tfrs now in their 1.20s
I dont want to be smart ass but what are the mentioned efforts from goverment to boost the number of births? If food cheaper? Nope, its more expensive. Is the fuel cheaper? Nope, going up. Is energy cheaper? Nope, going up. Is housing cheaper? Nope, going up. Is healthcare and medicine cheaper? Nope, going up.
On the bright side, deficit of workforce leads to wage growth and low unemployment.
Whenever you read headlines like POLAND IS EUROPE’S ECONOMIC MIRACLE, take a look at the fertility statistics. It all looks wonderful in numbers, but if things are going so well, then why are they so bad? Cultural factors are only part of the problem. People are overworked, tired, ultra-stressed, basic things that are needed to live and have kids – like real estate – have become luxurious. Also, the society is drastically, economically divided. Some people earn shitload of money and the rest is too wealthy to die and too poor to live normal, happy and healthy life.
Because deportations are too low
Time to import some immigrants.
At this point, pension contributions should be optional or completely off
We have to make abortion law even stricter, houses even more expensive and less affordable and close even more maternity wards – then we will finally see fertility growth!
/s
I just had a baby last month, I did my part.
and pet counts doubled lol
rent is %75 of salary and people can’t even feed themselves so baby? hell no dawg
Bihes dont want cream 🍰.
Wild to see people having (nearly) the exact same issues in Poland as in the US. But it’s the same in so many countries currently. Can’t afford a home or decent sized apartment. Employment isn’t stable. Future looks bleak. There are minor differences from country to country, but the root issues are the same almost everywhere right now. And the politicians will have the same talking points and excuses in almost every country as well.
At this point we can also get rid of the army. Polish will be a minority here in next 10-20 years.
For whom should we even defend it?
I pay 49% my monthly salary in taxes and I can’t afford house – I wonder why