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    Die Niederlande haben gerade ein US-Unternehmen daran gehindert, die App zu kaufen, die niederländische Bürger für alles nutzen

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    1. Any_Towel1456 on

      Thank goodness. Imagine all our personal information in the hands of a capitalist company in the USA.

    8. MJ-Franklin on

      We really need to stop selling shit to America. We need to start using LESS from them.

    9. Zeliek on

      It’s wild how quickly the US has managed to change the global opinion of itself, they’re treated as suspiciously as China is, possibly more so. 

    10. wstsidhome on

      Even we don’t trust our country anymore so why should anyone else? Totally understand the hate for this country right now

    13. Orangesteel on

      The CLOUD act pretty much killed deals like this. Being able to dip into another nations data, even if offshore, when it is held by a US company creates an obvious problem. Throw in Trump and it’s an even worse idea.

    14. Fun-Measurement4904 on

      As an American, dont let our companies own anything in your country. Our companies are all owned by fascists who want to control everything

    15. UsrHpns4rctct on

      It’s a matter of basic national security. There should be nothing even slightly controversial about this.

    17. therealowlman on

      Europe should focus on building its own, nationalized tech, and not let global monopolies siphon profits of tech consumption outside of the EU. They have the resources, and AI can only accelerate that shift away.

      The monopoly in tech is such a huge deal everybody shrugs off, but as our reliance on tech only increases the monopoly factor hurts the economy harder through less jobs and higher prices.

    21. ObviouslyRealPerson on

      >US enterprise services provider Kyndryl tried to acquire Dutch cloud specialist Solvinity, but The Hague has officially stopped the acquisition.

      Was Solvinity actually planning to go through with it and the government had to step in?

    23. TunaBlub on

      Not a app, because Solvinity is a managed services provider.

      Solvinity manages the servers and infrastructure for DigiD, which is a governmental system for a lot of stuff (tax, government, health insurance, (some) hospital systems and so on), pretty much mandatory for dutch citizens/people living here officially.

      Solvinity is owned by a British company, but UK being in Europe means that is not a issue.

      Now US want to buy Solvinity and that is where the problem starts.

      Also our current government is beyond stupid, they knew this is going to happen in 2025, but like with SO MANY THINGS, they decided to ignore it till last minute, then claim „nothing can be done“.

      The coalition (= current government) can still ignore what the state secretary decided (the latter wants to block Sovinity being sold).

      Time will tell what is going to happen 

      Edit: DigiD has an app that is not mandatory for login, that is mostly that app it’s purpose.

      But it is more than that, saying „DigiD is a app“ is like saying „Facebook is a app“.

      DigiD is a service, Facebook is a service.

      They have apps, but the apps don’t make the service, they give access to it.

    25. Xeynon on

      This is smart of them, obviously, but I’d go further in saying I wouldn’t trust any company with this information, not just an American one.

    26. Historical_Angle_123 on

      And the US Ambassador had the audacity to be „disappointed“ in this decision. As if it is a weird choice.

      How about no government on earth give the number 1 privacy sensitive application with which EVERYTHING can be done by it’s citizens to a company, let alone a foreign company.

      Nothin to do with the US. Just common sense.

    27. Kiwsi on

      Icelander here. This would never happen and would have a lot of backlash from the community good job!

    28. MightbeGwen on

      Just look at what American companies have done to America. I say this as an American. Good for the Dutch.

    29. allquckedup on

      Why doesn’t the Dutch government but controlling interest in the software company? They just leave it to its development and sit back and take percentage of profit.

    32. irrelevantusername24 on

      Emphasis (via bold) mine:

      >Officially formed in late 2021, Kyndryl was created from the [**spin-off**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_spin-off) **of** [**IBM**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM)’s infrastructure services,[^([4])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-wallstreet-4)[^([5])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-techcrunch-5) and comprises the bulk of the former IBM Global Technology Services.[^([10])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-10)[^([11])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-11) At year-end 2020, the spin-off had a portfolio of around 4,400 customers, including 75% of the Fortune 100.[^([4])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-wallstreet-4)[^([12])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-barrons-12) The company was given the name Kyndryl in April 2021, with **“Kyn“ referencing „kinship“ and „Dryl“ referencing „tendril“**.[^([13])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-13) On November 4, 2021, Kyndryl completed its separation from IBM and began **trading as an independent company on the** [**New York Stock Exchange**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange),[^([4])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-wallstreet-4)[^([5])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-techcrunch-5) with Martin Schroeter as chairman and CEO.[^([14])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-14)[^([15])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-15)[^([16])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-reutinfra-16) Kyndryl operated in 63 countries in November 2021, and managed around 400 [data centers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center).[^([17])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-17)

      >By November 2021, Kyndryl had also **partnered with** [**Microsoft**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft) to provide [digital transformation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_transformation) services using [Microsoft Cloud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Azure) products.[^([7])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-ecomil-7)[^([18])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-18) In December 2021, Kyndryl **partnered with** [**Google Cloud**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cloud_Platform) on digital transformation projects as well.[^([19])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-0:1-19) Kyndryl announced new reporting segments for its finances in January 2022.[^([20])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-20) Kyndryl **partnered with** [**Amazon Web Services**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services) in February 2022,[^([21])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-21) and in October 2022, Kyndryl and Microsoft created a [data pipeline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_pipeline) between [Microsoft Azure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Azure) and Kyndryl’s zCloud platform.[^([22])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-22) In 2022, as ranked by revenue, [*CRN*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRN_(magazine)) placed Kyndryl No. 6 on its list of largest IT solution providers in North America.[^([23])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-23) On September 28, 2023, the [*Financial Times*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Times) quoted sources saying that Kyndryl was separating its Chinese arm, saying the decision was influenced by [increased tensions between the United States and China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93China_tensions).[^([24])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-24) On 13 May 2024, Kyndryl announced the acquisition of [Skytap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skytap) and the divesture of Securities Industry Services to [Broadridge Financial Solutions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadridge_Financial_Solutions), as part of a portfolio optimization action.[^([25])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl#cite_note-25)

      The stock market is destroying society, as it always has been

      edit: And I think – though I might be wrong as I am speaking from indirect knowledge – contrary to what many may think, the reason for „Kyndryl… separating its Chinese arm“ was due to China not agreeing with the corruption which is rampant in the United States. Here we have corruption as policy. If you aren’t corrupt, or you oppose it on principle, you are (with very few exceptions), „cut off“. Hence it is actually China who is correct on this specific issue – though to be fair, they probably go a bit too far in the other direction by literally sentencing corrupt executives to execution. However that too I don’t think is as clear as it truthfully is since from what I have read being sentenced to execution does not necessarily lead to the execution of that person. *Regardless, that is more *appropriate than what happens here which is those people tend to walk away rich and therefore corruption is incentivized.

      *see: trolley problem

    33. Stashek on

      I dont think anyone, other than the Dutch, can understand just how much „we use it for everything“ DigiID is.
      It’s used for literally everything, from municipal rubbish to mortgage applications

    35. _ecthelion_95 on

      The dutch Embassy actually tweeted that they were disappointed the deal fell through. Why a government agency is disappointed about a private deal falling through I don’t understand.

      Definitely the right choice.

    36. Directhorman2 on

      I imagine the trust in US companies are at an all time low. Cant be trusted.

      And especially with that foul pedo in charge.

    37. jankisa on

      I saw the headline and thought it could either be Tikkie or DigiD, Tikkie I’d get, that is actually used a lot and it would make more sense since there is a ton of competition, but DigiD sale even being floated is crazy.

      I lived there for 2 years and it was, form a bureaucracy perspective, coming from Croatia a great experience because you could do anything using this app, most of my interactions with the state and city (taxes, healthcare, pension) were all authorized using this app, after I got it working I had to go and do things in person exactly 0 times, it’s great!

      Pretty insane that there was even a possibility of it being sold to USA company.

      Good on the Dutch goverment for shutting this down.

    40. DEeD-NGone on

      It’s sad my country sucks so bad or more so the people running the country are untrustworthy pieces of shit I pretty much feel happy anytime they try to do something it goes up in flames

    41. holiestMaria on

      Dutch here. When the article says „everything“, it really means everything. It’s used to keep track of your education, your taxes, your healthcare, your pension, your driver’s license, your location and moving, subsidies and more. I have used it more than I can count.

      Honestly the fact that it could be bought and sold at all is outrageous to me.

    44. ItaJohnson on

      Good for them.  American billionaires are void of morals and ethics, in my opinion.  I would love to see some foreign options, for apps, within the US.  At this point, I would take Chinese products over American.  American products are just Chinese products with a few extra steps anyways.  Most of the Americans are likely c-suite execs anyways with actual workers being offshored to China.

    46. DivusSentinal on

      Bit of backstory, the company in questions manages our DigiD, which is a system we use to identify ourselfs in dealing with (mainly) government institution. So when I file my taxes, open my homepage of insureances, request student loans, open my digital government mailbox, etc etc; I login through DigiD. Basically every detail about me as a person that a government, bank, insurance company etc. would have; is connected to my DigiD. While not every agency can see everything, the dutch government was afraid that due to US datalaws, the US would be able to request all data, or even hinder communications between citizens and the dutch government. This could be used as a pressuremechanism if the Netherlands ever would not be 100% US alligned (when would that ever happen wink wink trump)

      So TLDR, the US could steal all our data and majorly fuck up our dealings with the government if this deal would go through

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