And in their pursuit of aggressive war and expansionism the German nation ended up losing their centuries long presence in Poland and the Czech lands.
Pilum2211 on
Honestly, if you only look at the fully Black areas it’s surprisingly modest for the time.
nudel86 on
Polish Wielkopolska region in “claimed“ german culture borders? Wtf did they smoked out there in the past? Delusions.
Extreme-Shopping74 on
a map of the fatherland!
RedBaron-pas on
A huge injustice was done to Germany.
Ghost3316_music on
Ahh, AfD daily posting
Limp_Wealth_8411 on
The frontier of colonialism in Europe.
Mohammed_Chang on
Seems like someone is playing too much paradox games
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More clearly delineated now.
Raven_On_A_Tree on
Tbf, the fully black areas connected directly to Germany were mostly correct… the rest tho..
IndependentGiraffe8 on
Tough thing they had those borders under Germany, and German dominated Austria, foolishly got themselves into war. Time was on Germanys side peacefully, leaders in the high tech at the time, chemicals and electronics, war was not necessary, and no one would ever aggression attack such a powerful country as Germany.
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I just realized that, purely in terms of land area, Poland suffered a bigger loss than Germany. Huge swathes of former eastern Poland went to the USSR.
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Baleia1970 on
One of the problems that we have today is that we have difficulty to grasp what was going on back then in terms of „Cultural Borders“
Take Kafka for instance, he was Check, but he never spoke it. He wrote in German, he spoke Idisch (German Dialect) at home, and German with his Berlinner (schicksar) girlfriend.
Things were strange back then…
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looks like Germany is sticking the middle finger at Eastern Europe
alexandrosidi on
Would be great if cities were shown
honeybeebo on
Mustache man got too greedy
JohnWilsonWSWS on
According to geographer Hans-Dietrich Schultz, the map-maker Albrecht Pench was a Germany chauvinist.
Tnd the map was published at a time when
All nations have myths that don’t withstand scrutiny. Rapid chauvinism just removes all polite euphemisms to make those myths emphatic.
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* Ludwig Van Beethoven’s Symphony No. 9 (1824) uses Friedrich Schiller’s 1785 poem „An die Freude“ (Ode to Joy) for the libretto of the famous chorale. This includes the line „Alle Menschen werden Brüder Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.“ [„All people become brothers, Where thy gentle wing abides.“] „All people“ doesn’t stop at national borders.
* The map was from 1929 was drawn after Hitler had published „Mein Kampf“ (1925) with its call for „Lebensraum“ and just as German capitalism was increasing its support for the Nazis in case a dictatorship was needed.. Was Hitler part of „German culture“? What about the Germans who opposed Nazi?
* It’s notable that Switzerland and Lichtenstein remained neutral during the Nazi regime.
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>… The claim that the Nazi conquest of power was “a peaceful revolution willingly acquiesced to by the German people” is a despicable falsification. What Goldhagen refers to as the “repression of the political left” consisted, in fact, of the physical destruction of mass socialist parties that represented the hopes and aspirations of millions of workers and the best elements of the German intelligentsia for a just and decent world. German socialism was not only a political movement: it was, for all its internal contradictions, both the inspirer and expression of a flowering of human intellect and culture. Its destruction required the barbaric methods in which the Nazis excelled.
>The burning of books, the flight of scientists, artists and writers from Germany, the establishment of Dachau concentration camp and the incarceration of thousands of left-wing political opponents, the illegalization of all political parties other than the National Socialists, the liquidation of the trade unions—these were, in the first months of the Nazi regime, the principal achievements of its “peaceful revolution.”
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>According to Schultz, the idea of the imperative need for expansion also determined Penck’s theory of the „people’s and cultural soil“, published in 1925. With regard to [National Socialism](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalsozialismus), it had proven to be tremendously powerful.
Bye-bye Switzerland. We have no clue what you’re saying when you’re talking in your native dialect, but I guess we belong to the same people now.
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I may not agree with the ethnic cleaning that took place after the war, but given the reasons given for the war, I certainly understand the desire to commit them.
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missing the wider Netherlands, I recall some maps like this even included burgundy and Lorraine and the 1500 border
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Greatly exaggerated, post-WWI Germany-Polish border was pretty much (with the exception of Gdansk that was majority German, and some areas in Silesia and Mazovia that were majority Polish) correct and divided land by linguistic border.
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Vgh so groß
And in their pursuit of aggressive war and expansionism the German nation ended up losing their centuries long presence in Poland and the Czech lands.
Honestly, if you only look at the fully Black areas it’s surprisingly modest for the time.
Polish Wielkopolska region in “claimed“ german culture borders? Wtf did they smoked out there in the past? Delusions.
a map of the fatherland!
A huge injustice was done to Germany.
Ahh, AfD daily posting
The frontier of colonialism in Europe.
Seems like someone is playing too much paradox games
More clearly delineated now.
Tbf, the fully black areas connected directly to Germany were mostly correct… the rest tho..
Tough thing they had those borders under Germany, and German dominated Austria, foolishly got themselves into war. Time was on Germanys side peacefully, leaders in the high tech at the time, chemicals and electronics, war was not necessary, and no one would ever aggression attack such a powerful country as Germany.
I just realized that, purely in terms of land area, Poland suffered a bigger loss than Germany. Huge swathes of former eastern Poland went to the USSR.
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One of the problems that we have today is that we have difficulty to grasp what was going on back then in terms of „Cultural Borders“
Take Kafka for instance, he was Check, but he never spoke it. He wrote in German, he spoke Idisch (German Dialect) at home, and German with his Berlinner (schicksar) girlfriend.
Things were strange back then…
looks like Germany is sticking the middle finger at Eastern Europe
Would be great if cities were shown
Mustache man got too greedy
According to geographer Hans-Dietrich Schultz, the map-maker Albrecht Pench was a Germany chauvinist.
REF: [Deutsche Geografen als Kriegstreiber im Ersten Weltkrieg: Uferloses Sehnen nach Macht](https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/uferloses-sehnen-nach-macht-5175358.html) [GOOGLE TRANSLATE: [German geographers as warmongers in the First World War: Boundless longing for power](https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/uferloses-sehnen-nach-macht-5175358.html)]
Tnd the map was published at a time when
All nations have myths that don’t withstand scrutiny. Rapid chauvinism just removes all polite euphemisms to make those myths emphatic.
—
* Ludwig Van Beethoven’s Symphony No. 9 (1824) uses Friedrich Schiller’s 1785 poem „An die Freude“ (Ode to Joy) for the libretto of the famous chorale. This includes the line „Alle Menschen werden Brüder Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.“ [„All people become brothers, Where thy gentle wing abides.“] „All people“ doesn’t stop at national borders.
* The map was from 1929 was drawn after Hitler had published „Mein Kampf“ (1925) with its call for „Lebensraum“ and just as German capitalism was increasing its support for the Nazis in case a dictatorship was needed.. Was Hitler part of „German culture“? What about the Germans who opposed Nazi?
* It’s notable that Switzerland and Lichtenstein remained neutral during the Nazi regime.
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>… The claim that the Nazi conquest of power was “a peaceful revolution willingly acquiesced to by the German people” is a despicable falsification. What Goldhagen refers to as the “repression of the political left” consisted, in fact, of the physical destruction of mass socialist parties that represented the hopes and aspirations of millions of workers and the best elements of the German intelligentsia for a just and decent world. German socialism was not only a political movement: it was, for all its internal contradictions, both the inspirer and expression of a flowering of human intellect and culture. Its destruction required the barbaric methods in which the Nazis excelled.
>The burning of books, the flight of scientists, artists and writers from Germany, the establishment of Dachau concentration camp and the incarceration of thousands of left-wing political opponents, the illegalization of all political parties other than the National Socialists, the liquidation of the trade unions—these were, in the first months of the Nazi regime, the principal achievements of its “peaceful revolution.”
…
WSWS: [The Myth of “Ordinary Germans”: A Review of Daniel Goldhagen’s „Hitler’s Willing Executioners“](https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/russian-revolution-unfinished-twentieth-century/15.html)
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FWIW: Wikipedia summarizes Hans-Dietrich Schultz as follows:
>For [Hans-Dietrich Schultz](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Dietrich_Schultz), Penck is one of those war-loving geographers who interpreted Germany’s central location and the lack of natural borders in the West and East as a compulsion to expand. In doing so, he was able to build on [considerations from Friedrich Ratzel’s](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Ratzel) work „Political Geography“ from 1897. Already during the First World War, Penck had focused special attention on Russia in the hope of pushing Russia back to a line from the [White Sea](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei%C3%9Fes_Meer) via [Lake Peipus](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peipussee) to the mouth of the [Dnieper](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepr). On this side, he imagined [satellite states](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellitenstaat) with their own administration, but under German influence. Schultz quotes Penck from his inaugural speech as rector of [the University of Berlin](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt-Universit%C3%A4t_zu_Berlin) in the fall of 1917 as saying that this was „the minimum of what we need for the future.“ Penck’s goal was „that we keep from the conquered land what is necessary as a living space for our German people, that we receive a [colonial possession](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolonialismus), large and rich enough to provide us with the indispensable raw materials of the [tropics](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropen).“
>According to Schultz, the idea of the imperative need for expansion also determined Penck’s theory of the „people’s and cultural soil“, published in 1925. With regard to [National Socialism](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalsozialismus), it had proven to be tremendously powerful.
SOURCE: [Deutsche Geografen als Kriegstreiber im Ersten Weltkrieg: Uferloses Sehnen nach Macht](https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/uferloses-sehnen-nach-macht-5175358.html)
>[Albrecht Penck – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_Penck)
Just straight up nazi propaganda🤣
Bye-bye Switzerland. We have no clue what you’re saying when you’re talking in your native dialect, but I guess we belong to the same people now.
I may not agree with the ethnic cleaning that took place after the war, but given the reasons given for the war, I certainly understand the desire to commit them.
missing the wider Netherlands, I recall some maps like this even included burgundy and Lorraine and the 1500 border
Greatly exaggerated, post-WWI Germany-Polish border was pretty much (with the exception of Gdansk that was majority German, and some areas in Silesia and Mazovia that were majority Polish) correct and divided land by linguistic border.