Vergewaltigungsstrafen für jugendliche Jungen unangemessen mild, sagt Jess Phillips
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy2x7wxjego
Von Tartan_Samurai
Vergewaltigungsstrafen für jugendliche Jungen unangemessen mild, sagt Jess Phillips
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy2x7wxjego
Von Tartan_Samurai
15 Kommentare
Teen boys can get away with anything, and don’t they just know it.
It’s disgusting. The judge thought they didn’t need to go to prison because they were „very young“, and that he didn’t want to criminalise that, despite them raping two seperate people as a gang of three and filming both attacks on their victims, who are also very young.
What a joke. That judge needs sacking.
I’m glad that she says „seems unduly lenient“ which isn’t reflected in the title.
It’s ok for us to say the sentence is a joke, but government ministers need to be careful interfering with the judiciary even if it appears clear cut.
She’s right. They planned it out, put effort into getting their victims to a secluded location, brought weapons, filmed it and shared the videos online. This wasn’t „peer pressure“ or bad decision in the moment. They should absolutely have the book thrown at them.
No kidding! That some people feel okay about plotting, carrying out, recording and widely sharing a sexual assault speaks not just about how terrible they are, but how little fear they have of the consequences. And it’s not just about punishing these people, it’s even more important to ensure they can’t do it again. Because chances are they feel they can and want to.
Regardless of sentencing guidelines, the comments the judge made were awful and tone deaf and showed so little regards for the victims. If he’d said „oh don’t worry you little scamps, you’ll be fine“ to the attackers it wouldn’t have been much different. The priority seems to be on limiting the impact on the guilty rather than on the victims.
I’m sure the attackers and what they’ve done will be known amongst their communities. I can only hope where the law has failed ordinary people can at least shun them and their family/friends and refuse to friend them, serve them, be around them in anyway, etc.
Not defending this verdict in anyway, in fact I’m shocked at how low a sentence was given. But here are some comments from the judge from another article:
„The court heard (one of the rapists) had an IQ of the “bottom 1% of his contemporaries” and had been diagnosed with ADHD. Another of the rapists, also 15, was also diagnosed with ADHD as well as “longstanding anxiety”, while the third defendant, now 14, was described as having a “mild cognitive impairment”.
Judge Nicholas Rowland told them: “None of you need to go to prison today.” Explaining his sentence, he said he wanted to support the boys’ reintegration into society, adding: “I should avoid criminalising these children unnecessarily.”
He stressed the “seriousness” of the boys’ crimes and said their filming of the attacks made them even “more serious”.
He added that he needed to remember the boys were “very young”, had low intelligence, a “limited understanding of consent” and “peer pressure played a large part in what went on”.
“I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before,” he said. “You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.”“
Another problem is the Probation Service will likely not be able to give the required intervention to achieve the level of rehabilitation to make these attackers safe for community integration.
No need to criminalise the boys who committed 2 violent rapes and filmed it… is this judge brain dead?
It’s ironic that she declares herself to be a progressive yet thinks prison is an answer to crime.
I was shocked reading the sentencing. Im sorry but it’s a joke of a ruling. When I was a 15 year old lad I 100% new right from wrong, the impact of my actions and behaviours. At 15 you are very much forming your nature and personality. These boys are serious wronguns and should be treated as such. Not just as silly little boys who have done an oopsy.
Easy for her to say now she’s abdicated any ability to do anything about it. Obviously I don’t agree with the sentence because those boys are dangerous, but avoiding custodial sentences for youth offenders at all costs is not new or totally autonomous on the part of the judge, this government and the previous one should both answer to it as well.
Their whole lives these girls will be haunted by their experiences while these rapists will continue to enjoy their own lives, cuddled by their parents and highly likely considered to be heroes by their friends, reinforcing their own perceived manliness and their toxic views of women. I hate to say this bit rather than make (young) men reconsider their misogynistic behaviour these sentences will only reinforce their own views.
Since it happened at Crown Court, you can write to the Attorney General requesting a sentencing review under the Unduly Lenient Sentence scheme [https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review](https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review)
Is Jess Philips going to argue against the sentencing guidelines?
https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/sexual-offences-sentencing-children-and-young-people/
https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/pronouncement-builder/youth-rehabilitation-order-with-intensive-supervision-and-surveillance-yro-with-iss/
And is she going to justify why she believe the teenagers in question would be more likely to be rehabilitated and not reoffend if sent to youth offender institutions when all the evidence says that’s an extremely ill-founded belief?
A slight understatement there. The judge undoubtedly knows more about the case than I do, however just the bare outline of the crimes show the boys know what they did and did it with clear criminal intent. Maybe they could be rehabilitated, maybe not. They absolutely need to be properly punished for what they have done in the meantime. I hope that judge has a wife and daughters/granddaughters, because I suspect they will be raising hell over the sentence he gave. He should be made to answer in front of MP to explain why, in a society where violence against women is under the microscope, he thought that two rapists should walk away with a slap on the wrist.
100 percent – this is a clear fuck up by the judicial system – anxiety and ADHD and whatever aren’t fucking excuses, and it’s exactly this sort of bollocks that’s pushing people to more extreme forms of government.
they’re rapists, it was premeditated, in a group, and they recorded it. lock the cunts up.