Gebiete der Vereinigten Staaten, die in den Jahrzehnten nach dem Bürgerkrieg eine große Zahl weißer Migranten aus dem Süden aufnahmen, verlagerten sich entsprechend nach rechts
I’m in the Pittsburgh area and am kind of surprised it was at less than 1% for my county given the amount of industry that was here then.
dovetc on
Looks like whites and blacks were emigrating for the first half of the 20th century. Wonder why from 1950 onwards black people seem to have stopped making that move and white people continued to do so?
StarfishSplat on
You can see the Okies in California’s Central Valley.
GSilky on
Famously political right California…
bongophrog on
That’s why I tell my Mormon coworkers they need to start saying weird shit again so people stop trying to crowd up Utah
BenjaminHarrison88 on
What’s up with the south central Illinois cluster?
Brian_MPLS on
The part they leave out from the videogame is that the Oregon trail was created to help white southerners „escape“ to an explicitly whites-only colony in the Willamette Valley.
goldique on
I guess this is why the black population is growing so much in Utah? I’ve always heard Utah is strangely left in some ways and I’m glad black people feel welcomed there
wildbillfr97 on
At the end of the civil war the western states were still mostly unsettled meaning land was cheap. I imagine if this map showed the movement of people originating from northern states it would look about the same. The political aspect of it just seems kinda pointless just animal instinct to move to where resources are more abundant. The people that were land and slave owners who were a pretty small portion of the population didn’t go anywhere because the federal government didn’t confiscate the land just the slaves.
DiRtY_DaNiE1 on
The KKK were democrats following the civil war
MediumStrange on
Surprised it’s so low in Cincinnati, being just across the border and all. We have entire neighborhoods of Appalachian immigrants but I guess not many from the south.
Ozone220 on
To be clear because the title is a bit misleading, this is like… a lot of decades after the Civil War. It’s an interesting graph, and it probably has to do with the South’s economic fucked-upness caused by the war (and the ultimately hard to modernize plantation economy), but it doesn’t tie all-too directly with the war itself like the title seemed to imply (at a glance to me at least)
Flowering_Dog_Wood on
you mean after the north burned down every town and industry and set out to punish the south by prolonging poverty?
superpie12 on
A weird way to show population growth happened and at most 10% of southerners left .
superpie12 on
Black migrants alos avoided most northern states. This map is useless.
viewerfromthemiddle on
It’s an interesting map, but it’s the kind of map very much derived from the choices made. By including Oklahoma in the southern states, the results are probably inflated for Arizona and California. Elsewhere, the southern portions of the border states (Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, plus to an extent Maryland and Delaware) show what is probably normal cross-border exchange with their neighbors. I think that if we included these southern-adjacent counties as points of origin for southern out-migration, we would see much higher results in St Louis, Chicago, Louisville, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh.
With the caveat that I haven’t jumped the paywall to read the article, the map would seem to indicate a right-shifted New Mexico and an untouched lefty North Dakota. I’m not buying the premise.
Technoir1999 on
Ah, the comments are once again filled with the brilliant historians of r/mapporn.
wildbillfr97 on
Well the Victor writes history is what I’d say as far as the naming of streets and all that. But yeah like I said people that might be considered „solid southern“ don’t really have a lot in common with people that have been represented in the western United States either culturally or genetically for a few generations „23 and me“ and other DNA testing companies have really been showing that most of the white people in the western states are of central Europe and Spanish decent and that’s what the Midwestern states are as far as central Europe is considered the Spanish representation is mainly do to Spanish emperial expansion. As far as people of African decent they are all from western Africa same as anywhere in the western hemisphere.
Admirable-Ad3408 on
The white southern communities of some cities like Philadelphia, Baltimore, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Detroit, and Chicago were often from Appalachia and the neighborhoods they settled in became known as “Hillbilly ghettos”
I know Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh, and Milwaukee also had these, but they must have been too small to show up on these maps.
Squire513 on
I heard most of the LAPD were recruited out of Texas
Puzzleheaded-Milk927 on
Arizona is misleading. I’m sure Southern Whites moved there after the Civil War, but Arizona only actually gained any sort of significant population in the wake of WWII, with suburbanization and air conditioning, LONG after the Civil War. Arizona’s conservativism has more to due with old, right wing midwesterners and younger right wing Californians than old Josey Wales
Ooglebird on
I think their odd definition of the south, including Oklahoma but excluding the 5 border states, was a deficiency in their research. The border states contributed a minimum of 100 regiments to the Confederacy, a significant portion of that army. Many of those men fled north after the war to escape restrictive laws passed in Reconstruction. I was going to upload an article from an Ohio newspaper but apparently this forum ironically does not support images, so here is a brief quote- Wyandot Pioneer, Sept. 17, 1868-
„Between fifteen and twenty thousand rebel soldiers from West Virginia, Kentucky and other Southern States, have settled in Ohio since the close of the war…They can, and do, all vote at every election-a privilege which many of them never enjoyed till they crossed the Ohio river. Perhaps one in twenty of them votes the Republican ticket- the others, owing to old affinities, vote with the Democrats.“
LeftVariation8660 on
And some people now why…
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I’m in the Pittsburgh area and am kind of surprised it was at less than 1% for my county given the amount of industry that was here then.
Looks like whites and blacks were emigrating for the first half of the 20th century. Wonder why from 1950 onwards black people seem to have stopped making that move and white people continued to do so?
You can see the Okies in California’s Central Valley.
Famously political right California…
That’s why I tell my Mormon coworkers they need to start saying weird shit again so people stop trying to crowd up Utah
What’s up with the south central Illinois cluster?
The part they leave out from the videogame is that the Oregon trail was created to help white southerners „escape“ to an explicitly whites-only colony in the Willamette Valley.
I guess this is why the black population is growing so much in Utah? I’ve always heard Utah is strangely left in some ways and I’m glad black people feel welcomed there
At the end of the civil war the western states were still mostly unsettled meaning land was cheap. I imagine if this map showed the movement of people originating from northern states it would look about the same. The political aspect of it just seems kinda pointless just animal instinct to move to where resources are more abundant. The people that were land and slave owners who were a pretty small portion of the population didn’t go anywhere because the federal government didn’t confiscate the land just the slaves.
The KKK were democrats following the civil war
Surprised it’s so low in Cincinnati, being just across the border and all. We have entire neighborhoods of Appalachian immigrants but I guess not many from the south.
To be clear because the title is a bit misleading, this is like… a lot of decades after the Civil War. It’s an interesting graph, and it probably has to do with the South’s economic fucked-upness caused by the war (and the ultimately hard to modernize plantation economy), but it doesn’t tie all-too directly with the war itself like the title seemed to imply (at a glance to me at least)
you mean after the north burned down every town and industry and set out to punish the south by prolonging poverty?
A weird way to show population growth happened and at most 10% of southerners left .
Black migrants alos avoided most northern states. This map is useless.
It’s an interesting map, but it’s the kind of map very much derived from the choices made. By including Oklahoma in the southern states, the results are probably inflated for Arizona and California. Elsewhere, the southern portions of the border states (Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, plus to an extent Maryland and Delaware) show what is probably normal cross-border exchange with their neighbors. I think that if we included these southern-adjacent counties as points of origin for southern out-migration, we would see much higher results in St Louis, Chicago, Louisville, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh.
With the caveat that I haven’t jumped the paywall to read the article, the map would seem to indicate a right-shifted New Mexico and an untouched lefty North Dakota. I’m not buying the premise.
Ah, the comments are once again filled with the brilliant historians of r/mapporn.
Well the Victor writes history is what I’d say as far as the naming of streets and all that. But yeah like I said people that might be considered „solid southern“ don’t really have a lot in common with people that have been represented in the western United States either culturally or genetically for a few generations „23 and me“ and other DNA testing companies have really been showing that most of the white people in the western states are of central Europe and Spanish decent and that’s what the Midwestern states are as far as central Europe is considered the Spanish representation is mainly do to Spanish emperial expansion. As far as people of African decent they are all from western Africa same as anywhere in the western hemisphere.
The white southern communities of some cities like Philadelphia, Baltimore, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Detroit, and Chicago were often from Appalachia and the neighborhoods they settled in became known as “Hillbilly ghettos”
I know Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh, and Milwaukee also had these, but they must have been too small to show up on these maps.
I heard most of the LAPD were recruited out of Texas
Arizona is misleading. I’m sure Southern Whites moved there after the Civil War, but Arizona only actually gained any sort of significant population in the wake of WWII, with suburbanization and air conditioning, LONG after the Civil War. Arizona’s conservativism has more to due with old, right wing midwesterners and younger right wing Californians than old Josey Wales
I think their odd definition of the south, including Oklahoma but excluding the 5 border states, was a deficiency in their research. The border states contributed a minimum of 100 regiments to the Confederacy, a significant portion of that army. Many of those men fled north after the war to escape restrictive laws passed in Reconstruction. I was going to upload an article from an Ohio newspaper but apparently this forum ironically does not support images, so here is a brief quote- Wyandot Pioneer, Sept. 17, 1868-
„Between fifteen and twenty thousand rebel soldiers from West Virginia, Kentucky and other Southern States, have settled in Ohio since the close of the war…They can, and do, all vote at every election-a privilege which many of them never enjoyed till they crossed the Ohio river. Perhaps one in twenty of them votes the Republican ticket- the others, owing to old affinities, vote with the Democrats.“
And some people now why…