A team at the University of Hong Kong has developed a new “super steel” that can survive the harsh conditions needed to make green hydrogen from seawater. The material uses an unexpected double-protection mechanism that resists corrosion far better than conventional stainless steel. Even more impressive, it could replace costly titanium parts used in today’s hydrogen systems.
Indigoh on
~~Can not be explained~~ Has not yet been explained.
rikardoflamingo on
Here’s what no one is talking about.
Here’s where xxxx matters.
It’s not just xxxxx it’s actually yyyyyyyy.
Same steel, same team, but now it’s super duper something something.
.
Fuck I love AI.
11nyn11 on
They literally explain it in the article:
Adding manganese wasn’t supposed to work, based on known corrosion science.
Kraien on
Soo, no stunning nor unexplained. Just very cool
>The path from the first observation to publication was not quick. The team spent nearly six years moving from the initial discovery of the unusual stainless steel to the deeper scientific explanation, then toward publication and potential industrial use.
idunnoiforget on
Ok so science daily finally read a research paper from November of 2023 and are acting like nobody knows why the steel has the corrosion resistance it does.
Kaiping Yu, Shihui Feng, Chao Ding, Meng Gu, Peng Yu, Mingxin Huang,
A sequential dual-passivation strategy for designing stainless steel used above water oxidation,
Ja_Shi on
It cannot be explained! *proceeds to explain*
PhillipBrandon on
I don’t think this headline is out of pocket. I’m sure that in the fullness of time scientists will develop an explanation— of why current corrosion science is wrong, for example. But the author of this research is literally quoted saying „cannot be explained“
>“Initially, we did not believe it because the prevailing view is that [Manganese] impairs the corrosion resistance of stainless steel. Mn-based passivation is a counter-intuitive discovery, *which cannot be explained by current knowledge* in corrosion science. However, when numerous atomic-level results were presented, we were convinced. Beyond being surprised, we cannot wait to exploit the mechanism.“
(Emphasis added).
BlooDoge on
“Cannot be explained” is patent language for “lotsa clams.”
AbstractLogic on
“Cannot be explained” is not referring to the process and formula, it’s referring to the reason the process works.
Boomboomshablooms on
So it’s StainEvenMoreLess?
limbodog on
And there’s an endless source of it in my shower and tap water
Mephisto506 on
The most exciting words in science are “hmm… that’s odd!”
1an on
Bill O’Reilly has entered the chat.
SomeSamples on
Cannot be explained, hmmm. Could this be the evidence of aliens Trump is trying to release?
PaperbackBuddha on
What amazing infomercial gadgets can we sell with this?
Does it slice tomatoes *and* aluminum cans?
Does it improve the golf swing?
Will it remove bird lime?
Can you use adhesive strips of it to make a boat?
Can you mint commemorative coins with it?
Foe117 on
So what it looks like, is that they either coat the stainless steel in a manganese solution creating a double protection, or they mix in manganese with the chromium in isolation and mix it in to their final alloy.
sername404 on
Several steels already exist that are extremely corrosion resistant such a H1, LC200N and Vanax SuperClean
BLOODTRIBE on
And here I am trying to find actual wooden furniture.
ronweasleisourking on
The HKU team’s answer was a strategy called „sequential dual-passivation.“ Instead of relying only on the usual chromium oxide barrier, SS-H2 forms a second protective layer.
Explained
Level21DungeonMaster on
A chromium alloy can’t be explained?
CyanConatus on
I work in an industry where Chromium based stainless steel just barely fails to meet our performance criteria and requires expensive and very much overkill inconel.
Seems like this material could be revolutionary
DeviantTaco on
New technology STUNS scientists — “We’re so stupid and dumb” says researchers with stars spinning around their heads.
Nowhereman50 on
Oop. UAP Disclosure and now alloys are being made from materials that unexpectedley work really well together.
Sea-Discussion6732 on
It’s like, how much more stainless could this be? And the answer is none. None more stainless.
altitudearts on
No need to actually read anything that says “stuns researchers.”
dextroz on
So… Steel’s version of battery news of the day that will never see the light of day.
jawshoeaw on
ok Redditors let me help out here since so many comments are jokin about the apparent contradiction in “cannot be explained“ followed by some explaining.
stainless or corrosion resistant steels are normally described as stainless in specific environments.
1) cheap stainless steel spoon in your dishwasher probably won’t rust ever. unless you put it in salt water.
2) higher quality marine grade stainless steel won’t rust in salt water. unless you rub on it like a horny teen, as it scrapes off the thin chromium oxide layer
3) really high quality marine stainless is hardened and treated to prevent wear and wear induced corrosion .
NONE OF THIS WORKS IF YOU RUN ELECTRICITY THROUGH IT!
Rust and corrosion are electricity. So no they can’t fully explain yet why when running massive amounts of electricity through this new type of stainless steel, a somewhat mysterious 2nd layer of manganese oxide forms. Normally manganese weakens the chromium oxide layer. In the past some really nasty toxic chromium ions were released during electrolysis (see Erin Brokovich) which kills people and destroys the steel. Weird shit happens in electrolysis. similar to battery chemistry. It’s a really cool discovery and this type of material science while not breaking the laws of physics still doesn’t lend itself to simple explanations.
Upbeat-Fondant9185 on
Alright, Spyderco. You know what we want. Magnacut, Vanax, and Magnamax get out the way, there’s a new kid in town.
If it could run at like 63-65+ and retain toughness as well…that would really make it the next big thing.
Sensitive_Box_ on
The epitome of clickbait
Ozymandias2347 on
I know why they can’t explain it, I bet it’s because the old Scottish engineer and his doctor friend that helped them come up with it mysteriously disappeared before they could explain the formula.
xT1TANx on
Could we not electrolize our planets oceans? Please
TheGaussianMan on
Scientific journalism is dead.
ChaoticLlama on
There are likely useful applications for this SS, however sea water electrolysis is *not* one of them.
All electrolyzers have a reverse osmosis unit to purify water before use, even if source is fresh water.
* Energy cost to use RO to desalinate water is 0.035 kWh/kg of H2
* Energy cost to electrolyze water is 50 kWh/kg of G2
Using salty water for electrolysis instead of fresh increases total energy requirement by not even 0.1%. This is not an engineering challenge, this is a topic universities around the world are just wasting time on because they aren’t looking at the whole picture.
Sweaty_Marzipan4274 on
Research team who worked to create this: „tf you mean ’stunned‘, we engineered our assess off!“
nonameisdaft on
Alright now fluctuate the gradient in a wave like pattern based on fractal and deposit a crystal lattice like layer
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A team at the University of Hong Kong has developed a new “super steel” that can survive the harsh conditions needed to make green hydrogen from seawater. The material uses an unexpected double-protection mechanism that resists corrosion far better than conventional stainless steel. Even more impressive, it could replace costly titanium parts used in today’s hydrogen systems.
~~Can not be explained~~ Has not yet been explained.
Here’s what no one is talking about.
Here’s where xxxx matters.
It’s not just xxxxx it’s actually yyyyyyyy.
Same steel, same team, but now it’s super duper something something.
.
Fuck I love AI.
They literally explain it in the article:
Adding manganese wasn’t supposed to work, based on known corrosion science.
Soo, no stunning nor unexplained. Just very cool
>The path from the first observation to publication was not quick. The team spent nearly six years moving from the initial discovery of the unusual stainless steel to the deeper scientific explanation, then toward publication and potential industrial use.
Ok so science daily finally read a research paper from November of 2023 and are acting like nobody knows why the steel has the corrosion resistance it does.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1369702123002390
It’s explained in the abstract of
Kaiping Yu, Shihui Feng, Chao Ding, Meng Gu, Peng Yu, Mingxin Huang,
A sequential dual-passivation strategy for designing stainless steel used above water oxidation,
It cannot be explained! *proceeds to explain*
I don’t think this headline is out of pocket. I’m sure that in the fullness of time scientists will develop an explanation— of why current corrosion science is wrong, for example. But the author of this research is literally quoted saying „cannot be explained“
>“Initially, we did not believe it because the prevailing view is that [Manganese] impairs the corrosion resistance of stainless steel. Mn-based passivation is a counter-intuitive discovery, *which cannot be explained by current knowledge* in corrosion science. However, when numerous atomic-level results were presented, we were convinced. Beyond being surprised, we cannot wait to exploit the mechanism.“
(Emphasis added).
“Cannot be explained” is patent language for “lotsa clams.”
“Cannot be explained” is not referring to the process and formula, it’s referring to the reason the process works.
So it’s StainEvenMoreLess?
And there’s an endless source of it in my shower and tap water
The most exciting words in science are “hmm… that’s odd!”
Bill O’Reilly has entered the chat.
Cannot be explained, hmmm. Could this be the evidence of aliens Trump is trying to release?
What amazing infomercial gadgets can we sell with this?
Does it slice tomatoes *and* aluminum cans?
Does it improve the golf swing?
Will it remove bird lime?
Can you use adhesive strips of it to make a boat?
Can you mint commemorative coins with it?
So what it looks like, is that they either coat the stainless steel in a manganese solution creating a double protection, or they mix in manganese with the chromium in isolation and mix it in to their final alloy.
Several steels already exist that are extremely corrosion resistant such a H1, LC200N and Vanax SuperClean
And here I am trying to find actual wooden furniture.
The HKU team’s answer was a strategy called „sequential dual-passivation.“ Instead of relying only on the usual chromium oxide barrier, SS-H2 forms a second protective layer.
Explained
A chromium alloy can’t be explained?
I work in an industry where Chromium based stainless steel just barely fails to meet our performance criteria and requires expensive and very much overkill inconel.
Seems like this material could be revolutionary
New technology STUNS scientists — “We’re so stupid and dumb” says researchers with stars spinning around their heads.
Oop. UAP Disclosure and now alloys are being made from materials that unexpectedley work really well together.
It’s like, how much more stainless could this be? And the answer is none. None more stainless.
No need to actually read anything that says “stuns researchers.”
So… Steel’s version of battery news of the day that will never see the light of day.
ok Redditors let me help out here since so many comments are jokin about the apparent contradiction in “cannot be explained“ followed by some explaining.
stainless or corrosion resistant steels are normally described as stainless in specific environments.
1) cheap stainless steel spoon in your dishwasher probably won’t rust ever. unless you put it in salt water.
2) higher quality marine grade stainless steel won’t rust in salt water. unless you rub on it like a horny teen, as it scrapes off the thin chromium oxide layer
3) really high quality marine stainless is hardened and treated to prevent wear and wear induced corrosion .
NONE OF THIS WORKS IF YOU RUN ELECTRICITY THROUGH IT!
Rust and corrosion are electricity. So no they can’t fully explain yet why when running massive amounts of electricity through this new type of stainless steel, a somewhat mysterious 2nd layer of manganese oxide forms. Normally manganese weakens the chromium oxide layer. In the past some really nasty toxic chromium ions were released during electrolysis (see Erin Brokovich) which kills people and destroys the steel. Weird shit happens in electrolysis. similar to battery chemistry. It’s a really cool discovery and this type of material science while not breaking the laws of physics still doesn’t lend itself to simple explanations.
Alright, Spyderco. You know what we want. Magnacut, Vanax, and Magnamax get out the way, there’s a new kid in town.
If it could run at like 63-65+ and retain toughness as well…that would really make it the next big thing.
The epitome of clickbait
I know why they can’t explain it, I bet it’s because the old Scottish engineer and his doctor friend that helped them come up with it mysteriously disappeared before they could explain the formula.
Could we not electrolize our planets oceans? Please
Scientific journalism is dead.
There are likely useful applications for this SS, however sea water electrolysis is *not* one of them.
All electrolyzers have a reverse osmosis unit to purify water before use, even if source is fresh water.
* Energy cost to use RO to desalinate water is 0.035 kWh/kg of H2
* Energy cost to electrolyze water is 50 kWh/kg of G2
Using salty water for electrolysis instead of fresh increases total energy requirement by not even 0.1%. This is not an engineering challenge, this is a topic universities around the world are just wasting time on because they aren’t looking at the whole picture.
Research team who worked to create this: „tf you mean ’stunned‘, we engineered our assess off!“
Alright now fluctuate the gradient in a wave like pattern based on fractal and deposit a crystal lattice like layer