Sie wollen uns wie Idioten behandeln, leider funktioniert es bei der Mehrheit. Bitte stimmen Sie mit Nein!
Oder geben Sie einfach zu, dass Sie diese Partei unterstützen, ungeachtet der Konsequenzen, auch wenn das bedeutet, bis 75 oder älter zu arbeiten, nur um an der einwanderungsfeindlichen Rhetorik festzuhalten. Das Lustige ist, dass integrierte Einwanderer offensichtlich nicht das Problem sind. Warum investieren wir also nicht mehr in die Integration? Anscheinend ist es einfacher, Grenzen zu schließen und uns selbst zu sabotieren. Absolute Clowns.
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I am glad those SVP guys said the quit part too. Like we will run not only out of workers, but we also can’t afford the level of retirement money when 2 people have to finance one pensioner. Now that may will open some eyes.
Now of course immigration has negative side effects, just like it has positive ones. Surely that the future work force has to finance seniors in a 2:1 ratio will make this country a terrible place in the future. So yes, obviously vote no. But that also means, we need to make sure housing works, and need to make sure some bad apples get sorted out fast enough.
Feels depressingly relevant to many countries.
Good lord. As one of those immigrants, if you think the trains and the hospitals HERE are a mess, may I suggest hopping over the border to literally anywhere else and getting some perspective. This is one of the most highly functional and well organised places on earth.
Fair dos on the rent though, that shit IS crazy.
classic leftist bullshit reacting emotionally instead of logically.
switzerland works because it’s small and everyone roughly knows how the game is played. you flood that with 80k+ people a year and that shared understanding erodes.
housing is already cooked in zurich and geneva. trains are packed. the mittelland isn’t getting bigger. at some point you’re just cramming more people into the same space and calling it growth.
integration works here because it’s slow and deliberate. push past that and you don’t get new swiss people, you get communities that never really plug in. we’ve seen that elsewhere in europe.
and let’s not pretend gdp growth means anything for the guy already living here. rents go up, nature gets built over, your commute gets worse. great, the aggregate number looks good on paper.
at 80k net per year we hit 10M somewhere around 2037-2038. the thing people are immigrating to is exactly what gets hollowed out if you don’t protect it.
consistently privileging the chosen few ig
My hot take: Even the SVP heads want this initiative to be significantly watered down in the legislative process if it passes (as not everyone is aware of this: writing something into the constitution does not mean it’s automatically going to happen, as it’s not enforceable). Anti-immigration is the one topic that made SVP big, even though the companies their party leaders own/operate massively benefit from the current system.
Mass Immigration has to Stop. Everyone entering the country will BE a retiree sooner or later and needs to be funded. Immigration Just pushes the Problem Fürther Into the future
It seems the left gets nervous about it, hence the increase of posts against it. Let’s hope they will be disappointed nevertheless.
I will vote no. I understand that we have a problem but this referendum would make it only worse. We need better solutions.
Dude did you even think once while posting this?
SVP is not wrong about the case, it is the immigrates, to be more specifiy its the immigration.
The infrasturctur is growing slower than the immagration, it will happen to every country if your population is growing faster than the infrasturctur and fact is people in switzerland dont make enough babies to keep the country growing so its the immigration thats just simple math.
So your post makes absolutly no sense.
SVP didnt fail on infrastructur and housing 😂.
Also does the party not need immigrants. Dont know who you make up your reasoning.
Forsure we can discuss the solution, in my personal view not the solution I want, one of the reasons why I dont vote for this party because they often see problems but provide extreme solutions.
While I agree with the conclusion, this meme/reasoning is a little bit of an own goal.
What the meme is saying is that everything needs immigrants to work, but it’s already full of immigrants and it’s not working. You got to pick a lane, or else what you’re saying is that all these industries that are surviving because of all the immigrants are also the ones that are terrible.
We are already one a country with a really high immigrant population, and we’re also a country where things are extremely expensive. Saying things are expensive so we need more immigration doesn’t make sense. If rents , trains and hospitals are a mess as you said, then how is immigration the solution?
I’m all for a non-racist, sensible immigration policy that is welcoming and allows people to come here more easily, but unless this meme is bait you should probably rethink you’re reasoning
It’s a double-edged sword. I’ve worked for over a decade in the hospitality sector, so I can strictly speak only from that perspective. In tourism, foreign seasonal workers (not immigrants per se) are the reason why salaries can be kept low and local people can’t find decent work.
No local can afford to live on 3600 a month in a place where the average rent is 1600+. Foreign workers put up with living in a workers‘ apartment for 600 a month because they know they will be gone in half a a year and can save a ton of money compared to what they would make at home. And there is no shortage of those workers. There’s nearly complete turnover every 6 months, and the candidates are piling up.
Laws don’t do squat. The LGAV, which is responsible for this sector, is so understaffed that infractions just never have consequences. Seasonal places break nearly every workers‘ rights law and never seem to face consequences, no matter how many times they’re reported.
Then there’s the problem that many of those businesses actually couldn’t survive if they weren’t paying so little and breaking the laws left and right. The system is broken, and there isn’t really a good solution for it.
Digi s Problem isch halt das mir keini nochkömme hend…und wenn alles so kinderfeindlich wie möglich gmacht wird… demit sich paar lüt mit paar Millionen meh geiler fühle könne. Eu Masse Immigration isch isch e symptombekämpfig und mir liede teilwies drunter ob meh jetzt eher mehr an de andere Problem schaffe will sei mal dahingestellt. Hets nid mol in Griechenland mol genau sgliche Problem geh vor paar johrhundert?
Same playbook. It’s always turning us against each other – and all the love and support for the rich.
Dont put all in the same bag… as a portuguese living and workin here since 2019 never been on social or Chomage…i went to french school 3 times week after work get my B1/B2… bought a new car pay my taxs never had a problem with justice…All came from my work and my integration with the respect for this country.I started as simple worker i payd for formations and now im a chefe de equipe.
I start to see here the same i see in portugal thats its sure. And of course if we start to accept all the ppl if they dont work dont accept the culture and dont make anything(work), well they dont belong here or any other country just to take profit of social wellfare… portugal needs to lerarn from france and suisse needs to do the same… if u came to work and respct the country ok if not….go way.
Immigration in this amount is baf for a country. Will vote YES
The timing of this is the main culprit. I don’t think the SVP cares too much about it. It’s supposed to distract. In times where everything is getting more expensive, people start to look for the real reason. Talks about taxing the ultra rich get louder, so the SVP will go for the easy distraction: Immigrants.
Whatever happens in the future is none of their concern. They will continue draining the workers, playing the systems and making themselves rich. You really think they care about empty AHVs when they have millions and millions in stocks?
I’m always open for real suggestions, no matter the party it comes from, to tackle issues and talk about solutions. But this isn’t it. It will cause more chaos and damage Switzerland in the long run, especially because it basically rips apart important deals with the EU, who should always be our ally.
Actually it’s both
1. YES there is accelerated failure of housing, infrastructure and planning. Mainstream parties are mainly to blame here, they did a terrible job.
2. But also YES, keeping immigration at the same rate will only make it worse.
It’s not an ideological view, it’s a fact. If your plumbing is too small and cracked and you keep pushing the same amount of water, it will not hold. you need to fix the plumbing first.
Rental prices are that high because it finances pension funds and insurances.
The whole system is discouraging people to buy a house and even less to own completely. If there was an obligation to pay back the loan within 30 years, house prices would be lower because of demand.
We really need to build. Even if nobody came here, we need more appartments