As long as it’s not enforced by mandatory face scans and ID checks. I’m sick of this shit.
If it can’t be enforced without invading the privacy of our own citizens, is it the correct route?
scottsuplol on
It’s pointless. Kids with either just find a way around it or the parents like it most cases generally won’t care
Used_Raccoon6789 on
I hope it’s all of Meta, tiktok, snap, discord, reddit and YT shorts for the under 16 ban. Additionally I don’t care what method they use, as far as I’m concerned anything that adds friction to everyone using social media would be a welcomed addition.
Ashamed_Still5688 on
Just remember anyone supporting this, it’s going to be digital ID. These corpos won’t care about your privacy, and will sell your data. Our own government couldn’t keep our voter information safe, and y’all want to trust big daddy tech?
SickOfEnggSpam on
Get parents to stop outsourcing their role to all of humanity, thanks
redpandafire on
I get the narrative here is to blame parents but at some point it’s the fact a company has released a legendary addiction machine into the world and allowed to publicly market it for decades with impunity. Like wtf are parents supposed to do against trillions of dollars of capital power?
If your parents raised you well, are you still using AI and has it led you to losing grip with reality? Was it your parents fault that you did that?
icedesparten on
Then enforce it? Be the parent you’re supposed to be and control your kids. If the government has to enforce it, then it’s going to be ID scans, face scans, and other hugely invasive measures that will destroy internet privacy and lead to massive data breaches. Can’t wait for videos of people holding their drivers licenses up to verify ID to be recycled for identity theft.
Leading-Tap9170 on
Here we go again with “most Canadians” media spin
trackofalljades on
Many, many parents of the “Facebook and Starbucks mom” generation will actively create fake age gmail accounts for their little girls to put them on all the same socials they use (and sometimes more) so there is nothing the government can really do at this point.
Many services already restrict or prohibit accounts for anyone under 13, and the vast majority of the families I know include a parent who does this. It’s both unfortunate and also makes it very difficult for the minority of parents who want to handle things more responsibly to maintain reasonable norms with their kids.
Commander-Fox-Q- on
Who are “most Canadians”? Almost every single person I’ve ever talked to about this has extremely not wanted this because of what’s happened in other countries when they’ve tried this same thing…
DonutBerry on
SAVE KIDS FROM THE DANGERS OF AI CHATBOTS!
…By giving your ID to the same AI companies.
uprightshark on
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Jacob666 on
Their follow up question should have been „Are you willing to use government ID to access the internet?“.
Be interesting to see how many of these people are willing to give up there data to maybe block some kids from social media.
Zing79 on
Yesterday, to my absolute horror, my 12 year old niece, who had very obviously just gone through puberty, showed up in a Facebook search. Something I periodically do for my kids, nieces, and nephews as a protective measure.
The profile picture was pulled from her high school basketball team page. It very clearly showed a recent photo of her. I also found additional photos that immediately raised red flags, including obvious signs of AI manipulation.
To the people screaming in class about privacy and “parents should just parent,” can you guess what I was looking at?
…
…
…
Big reveal: identity theft of my 12 year old niece.
Someone had created a fake profile using her full name, stolen photos, and AI generated images that were disturbingly revealing for a 12 year old. They even pulled her information directly from the basketball page. It was fully “her” online without her consent or her parents’ consent, almost certainly for catfishing purposes.
The potential danger and trauma in a situation like this is off the charts. And the uncomfortable reality is that the only real way to stop this kind of thing at scale is identity verification and stronger safeguards.
But sure. Let’s pretend adults shouldn’t even have the conversation because it makes people uncomfortable.
Side note to parents: do everything you can to keep your kids off the internet for as long as possible. Never sign blanket media releases for schools, sports teams, or programs unless you absolutely have to. Because this is exactly what can happen when the wrong person gets hold of those photos.
Dragonfruit_6104 on
Even if we set aside the issue of whether kids should be banned from using social media and AI, how are you going to ensure that kids won’t use them?
You can’t even make sure kids go to school honestly, follow school rules at school, don’t secretly smoke, drink, marijuana, and wear a condom when have sex.
Now you tell them not to secretly download software on their phones? Believe it or not, if you ban them from signing up for Canadian social media, they will all go to Chinese social media.
AndreiHoo on
Incoming mandatory id upload, face scan and data leak
Prestigious-Car-4877 on
I wasn’t asked. This should be a parental decision.
Particular-Act-8911 on
Maybe just be parents and take away your kids devices.
V1cT on
„The online poll of 1,848 respondents was conducted between May 1 and May 4. The Canadian Research Insights Council, an industry organization that promotes polling standards, says online surveys cannot be assigned a margin of error because they do not randomly sample the population.“
Polling AI bots to get the response you want is manufactured consent.
BadB0ii on
I would be vaguely supportive of the goal, but its entirely about the execution. It would have to be managed in a way that secures and guarantees individual user privacy and so far not a single government bill with this aim globally has managed to hold the protection of children and user privacy in balance.
ifuaguyugetsauced on
Great in 10-20 years (maybe a lot sooner) you won’t be able to access anything online without scanning your id. Want to sign up for a website or product? Scan your ID. I can see a world where you’re denied due to your id background. Something like social credits
entryjyt on
Bro stop following UK and Australia
Mental_Lyptus on
Why do people insist on trying to create laws that cannot be enforced?? If you can’t make it happen, just having it on paper is meaningless performative nonsense. Instead take all the money you would spend on legislating this and create some form of parental knowledge base for educating parents on how they can screen/monitor what their kids do on the internet.
bluecar92 on
As usual, the Reddit echo chamber isn’t a good representation of the general public.
I’m a parent and I’m 100% in favour of this. My kids aren’t on social media yet, because we don’t let them. But guess what, most of their peers are, and it’s already caused lots of social issues in their classrooms.
I don’t know what the age ranges are on here, but I feel like many of you folks are too young to really appreciate how things were pre-facebook and other social media platforms. I know I sound like an old man yelling at the clouds, but society sure feels like it’s gone down the toilet over the last couple of decades.
Many of you have valid concerns about privacy and about how these bans will be enforced. So sure – let’s make that the issue then. Let’s find creative ways to implement controls on these shitty social media platforms without compromising privacy and rights of adult users. But let’s not just throw our hands up and say it’s too hard to do anything at all.
Hondo_1979 on
I agree with banning social media for kids under 16 but not with online age verification. Online age verification is a joke and infringes on legal adults private info.
What they should be doing is making it illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to own a phone capable of anything other than wifi for data and ban data plans for anyone under 16. As well, anyone offering free wifi should have to block all social media and adult content on their networks. This would restrict adult content to home networks which the parents would control. This would be far more effective if they actually cared about protecting kids over giving private corporations vast databases of people ID’s which could and definitely would be used nefariously.
ChipsHandon12 on
The entire internet should just be 18+ so we can stop the moderation shitting it up by treating people as underage kids as the default. But forced id is not good.
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As long as it’s not enforced by mandatory face scans and ID checks. I’m sick of this shit.
If it can’t be enforced without invading the privacy of our own citizens, is it the correct route?
It’s pointless. Kids with either just find a way around it or the parents like it most cases generally won’t care
I hope it’s all of Meta, tiktok, snap, discord, reddit and YT shorts for the under 16 ban. Additionally I don’t care what method they use, as far as I’m concerned anything that adds friction to everyone using social media would be a welcomed addition.
Just remember anyone supporting this, it’s going to be digital ID. These corpos won’t care about your privacy, and will sell your data. Our own government couldn’t keep our voter information safe, and y’all want to trust big daddy tech?
Get parents to stop outsourcing their role to all of humanity, thanks
I get the narrative here is to blame parents but at some point it’s the fact a company has released a legendary addiction machine into the world and allowed to publicly market it for decades with impunity. Like wtf are parents supposed to do against trillions of dollars of capital power?
If your parents raised you well, are you still using AI and has it led you to losing grip with reality? Was it your parents fault that you did that?
Then enforce it? Be the parent you’re supposed to be and control your kids. If the government has to enforce it, then it’s going to be ID scans, face scans, and other hugely invasive measures that will destroy internet privacy and lead to massive data breaches. Can’t wait for videos of people holding their drivers licenses up to verify ID to be recycled for identity theft.
Here we go again with “most Canadians” media spin
Many, many parents of the “Facebook and Starbucks mom” generation will actively create fake age gmail accounts for their little girls to put them on all the same socials they use (and sometimes more) so there is nothing the government can really do at this point.
Many services already restrict or prohibit accounts for anyone under 13, and the vast majority of the families I know include a parent who does this. It’s both unfortunate and also makes it very difficult for the minority of parents who want to handle things more responsibly to maintain reasonable norms with their kids.
Who are “most Canadians”? Almost every single person I’ve ever talked to about this has extremely not wanted this because of what’s happened in other countries when they’ve tried this same thing…
SAVE KIDS FROM THE DANGERS OF AI CHATBOTS!
…By giving your ID to the same AI companies.
18
Their follow up question should have been „Are you willing to use government ID to access the internet?“.
Be interesting to see how many of these people are willing to give up there data to maybe block some kids from social media.
Yesterday, to my absolute horror, my 12 year old niece, who had very obviously just gone through puberty, showed up in a Facebook search. Something I periodically do for my kids, nieces, and nephews as a protective measure.
The profile picture was pulled from her high school basketball team page. It very clearly showed a recent photo of her. I also found additional photos that immediately raised red flags, including obvious signs of AI manipulation.
To the people screaming in class about privacy and “parents should just parent,” can you guess what I was looking at?
…
…
…
Big reveal: identity theft of my 12 year old niece.
Someone had created a fake profile using her full name, stolen photos, and AI generated images that were disturbingly revealing for a 12 year old. They even pulled her information directly from the basketball page. It was fully “her” online without her consent or her parents’ consent, almost certainly for catfishing purposes.
The potential danger and trauma in a situation like this is off the charts. And the uncomfortable reality is that the only real way to stop this kind of thing at scale is identity verification and stronger safeguards.
But sure. Let’s pretend adults shouldn’t even have the conversation because it makes people uncomfortable.
Side note to parents: do everything you can to keep your kids off the internet for as long as possible. Never sign blanket media releases for schools, sports teams, or programs unless you absolutely have to. Because this is exactly what can happen when the wrong person gets hold of those photos.
Even if we set aside the issue of whether kids should be banned from using social media and AI, how are you going to ensure that kids won’t use them?
You can’t even make sure kids go to school honestly, follow school rules at school, don’t secretly smoke, drink, marijuana, and wear a condom when have sex.
Now you tell them not to secretly download software on their phones? Believe it or not, if you ban them from signing up for Canadian social media, they will all go to Chinese social media.
Incoming mandatory id upload, face scan and data leak
I wasn’t asked. This should be a parental decision.
Maybe just be parents and take away your kids devices.
„The online poll of 1,848 respondents was conducted between May 1 and May 4. The Canadian Research Insights Council, an industry organization that promotes polling standards, says online surveys cannot be assigned a margin of error because they do not randomly sample the population.“
Polling AI bots to get the response you want is manufactured consent.
I would be vaguely supportive of the goal, but its entirely about the execution. It would have to be managed in a way that secures and guarantees individual user privacy and so far not a single government bill with this aim globally has managed to hold the protection of children and user privacy in balance.
Great in 10-20 years (maybe a lot sooner) you won’t be able to access anything online without scanning your id. Want to sign up for a website or product? Scan your ID. I can see a world where you’re denied due to your id background. Something like social credits
Bro stop following UK and Australia
Why do people insist on trying to create laws that cannot be enforced?? If you can’t make it happen, just having it on paper is meaningless performative nonsense. Instead take all the money you would spend on legislating this and create some form of parental knowledge base for educating parents on how they can screen/monitor what their kids do on the internet.
As usual, the Reddit echo chamber isn’t a good representation of the general public.
I’m a parent and I’m 100% in favour of this. My kids aren’t on social media yet, because we don’t let them. But guess what, most of their peers are, and it’s already caused lots of social issues in their classrooms.
I don’t know what the age ranges are on here, but I feel like many of you folks are too young to really appreciate how things were pre-facebook and other social media platforms. I know I sound like an old man yelling at the clouds, but society sure feels like it’s gone down the toilet over the last couple of decades.
Many of you have valid concerns about privacy and about how these bans will be enforced. So sure – let’s make that the issue then. Let’s find creative ways to implement controls on these shitty social media platforms without compromising privacy and rights of adult users. But let’s not just throw our hands up and say it’s too hard to do anything at all.
I agree with banning social media for kids under 16 but not with online age verification. Online age verification is a joke and infringes on legal adults private info.
What they should be doing is making it illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to own a phone capable of anything other than wifi for data and ban data plans for anyone under 16. As well, anyone offering free wifi should have to block all social media and adult content on their networks. This would restrict adult content to home networks which the parents would control. This would be far more effective if they actually cared about protecting kids over giving private corporations vast databases of people ID’s which could and definitely would be used nefariously.
The entire internet should just be 18+ so we can stop the moderation shitting it up by treating people as underage kids as the default. But forced id is not good.