Utah macht als erster Bundesstaat Websites für Benutzer haftbar, die ihren Standort mit VPNs verschleiern – ein Gesetz tritt in Kraft, das die Umgehung von Altersprüfungen verhindern soll
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/vpn/utah-becomes-first-us-state-to-target-vpn-use-with-age-verification-law
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another law from people who have no clue how technology works.
Good luck trying to enforce that!
A race to the bottom, we have the uniformed, making knee jerk reaction laws, that are impossible to implement, and even when implemented will cause more problem then it solves. Good job everyone.
> To date, the only countries that have made progress in blocking VPN traffic with some success are authoritarian regimes with ISP-level surveillance.
Man my country’s government is full of tech-illiterate dinosaurs. Good article.
Age verification sites are about to do what DJT’s father should’ve done, pull out.
What a weird way to drive out all web hosting from Utah.
SLC wasn’t that tech heavy to begin with, but it’s just wild.
Lying about your location on the internet? 😡
17 wives? 👍
Get your shit sorted Utah
In related news, if you receive mail from someone with an I correct return address you should also be liable. Spoofed telemarketer phone number calls you and you answer? Liable!
For a more relatable parable, think of it like this:
Imagine a Utah business set up in this way: they received order requests through traditional mail (with included payment provided in the mail envelope) and they respond to those order requests by sending those orders to the provided shipping address.
Now imagine Utah makes it illegal for those Utah businesses to fill those orders if the person submitting the order was living in, currently located in, filled out the order while in, or sending the letter from California.
So someone who lives in eastern California who lives very close to Nevada fills out this order, mails in the request, and provides cash payment, and provides a return address at a FedEx or UPS store just across the border in Nevada.
This would be illegal, and in any conventional situation no one’s ever going to find out. Making such a law pointless.
Now imagine this entire system of mailing things and in responding to them were fully automated to the point where there is no manual human intervention, which means any system you use to reliably detect that someone is doing this illegally would need to be effectively automated, making this an even more impossible problem to solve it.
Maybe they should put more effort into fighting their weird weird Mormon cults, and the crap they produce. The crass superficiality and cheapness of their culture and society, and the fact that they tend to produce the most soulless and financially motivated murderers. You’d not pay me enough to live in that state.
Utah can get bent.
Well, someone should tell them how companies use the internet.
Solomonster: Boo
Tech literate people know this won’t work. It failed in Wisconsin but passed in UT.
I think it was always about surveillance. No one really cares about the age verification.
The people’s republic of Utah lmaoo
Utah already has the largest percentage of residents who leave when they graduate college. Guess they think their existing numbers are rookie numbers.
The war on Porn continues
Sue the State for a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access services and blacklist those addresses.
Onerous ass laws.
Imagine trying to sue a Walmart because you left your house with a Halloween mask on… or Home Depot because they sold you a door that the State doesn’t have a camera pointed at.
Utah here saying, anyone who prevents advertisers and data brokers from stalking you is a criminal is as crazy as claiming anyone who doesn’t report to the IRS that a friend loaned you last month’s rent is committing tax evasion.
Why should my ISP be collecting info on the various creams you apply to your body, be adding your curiosity about a random actor at 2:am to the profile they’re compiling on you, or have the right to push advertisements to your children when you’re not around?
Utah here, claiming the State owns you and they have a right to all your thoughts, curiosities, and personal details.
And you thought Utah was stupid before!
Republican over reach.
How is this even going to work? What law enforcement agency has time to monitor and enforce this?
100% unlawful and 100% unworkable. A website from Germany can’t be sued by the State of Utah. Massive overreach by Republician idiots.
The world wide web was a beautiful place before it became accessible to normies and dominated by corporations.
Gotta start with the soft targets\reasons first like protecting children from porn, then when you got a system in place you can start the scope creep to other things.
Hopefully all websites just refuse to operate in Utah. In fact, I don’t see why this couldn’t be an effective form of a protest. Could I ask for Wikipedia’s support? They probably support a free internet.
Party of small government
Everything this party does is a direct contradiction of what they market themselves as.
It is unenforceable.
One thing our state legislators do not understand is that some medical and mental healthcare professionals are required to use a VPN for their company owned laptops. I know someone who provided mental health therapy and this is the case for their clinical notes and client information. And this person works for a huge nonprofit hospital organization. This is so they can confirm to patient privacy and HIPPA laws.
Years ago my MIL who was a leader in this state for special education and had to deal with the legislature said the legislature is made up of hicks, farmers, and rubes. That is still the case 40 years after she died. Our legislators do not listen to experts in the various fields of anything they are trying to legislate and getting a response from any of the at both state and national level is just not happening.
Many of my followers are from Utah
Lots of closeted gay/no men.
I’m not handing over shit you can’t force me.
Remember when Republicans used to criticize China for their digital iron curtain?
This is literally impossible to implement or enforce. If users are masking their IP using a VPN, the website has no idea where the original traffic came from. That’s the entire point.
You would have to effectively outlaw VPNs entirely, which is likely unconstitutional and at the very least, again, unenforceable.
Expect this to be struck down.
Shame such a beautiful state geographically can at the same time be so politically/religiously fucked
Would this be a violation of the 4th amendment?
Hahahaha it’s like trying to set laws for the ocean.
Let’s go back to dialup. Who wants to start a fresh tradewars galaxy?
How are they supposed to know if the user is masking their location?
Trying to control what people want to see is proof that humanity is becoming more pathetic, ignorant, and obsolete in the grand scheme of things. We’re destroying everything while arguing over stupid ass websites with age verifications.
Geolocation ruined the internet.
I hope people realize all his stuff is to slowly kill off the internet to prevent people from spreading dissent. If I was a unempathetic world leader, I would see the internet as a major threat to my power.
This is basically legally mandating geolocation
Does it make provisions for companies that use a VPN? I mean, I assume it does, but the people who write these bills are idiots and it wouldn’t be the first time they forgot to think about something important like that.
Isn’t it funny how PHub is only banned in red states and none in blue ones? Which party is REALLY for freedom?
I believe Virginia is the only purple state that has it banned but that was from back when they had a Republican governor.
You know how when you use the airport to fly to another country and you have to select at the kiosk that you’re not a terrorist? It’s like a legal tripwire so the government can prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law should they need to for any reason which is also why the definition of ‚terrorist/terrorism‘ is extremely vague.
This is that. They’re building the groundwork to hold web hosts accountable for their traffic (which is impossible) so they can squeeze them for information or shut them down completely.
There has been a war on VPNs for almost a decade now and it’s coming to fruition. There are entities working with the government who exploit the government’s lack of technological prowess to shape and control the internet from being free under the guise of „protecting the children.“
There is a very real future where using a VPN will become a felony in America. They want the future to be only government mandated VPNs because the government is tired of using middlemen to access your information and want it directly.
Tech experts will tell you this is all impossible. Legal experts will tell you that’s the point.
How does the Website know you’re supposed to be from Utah, USA?