Would be curious for more data points on this, such as the top 30% and 50%, interesting graph
NoobMusker69 on
Don’t worry, it will trickle down any minute now
iwasnotarobot on
Even the ~~wages~~ wealth of the top 10% appear practically stagnant by comparison to the top 0.1%.
What would they do about this kind of situation in Nepal? Or in France?
tacopower69 on
as a kid becoming a millionaire was the dream and now it’s not even money you can retire on.
FOTW-Anton on
And this ends in 2022 which doesn’t cover a lot of the run up in stock prices post-covid.
Jaxxlack on
Eat the rich… occupy wall street… No?
theestwald on
Thats actually impressive, that means there are about 30M Americans (assuming and equal distribution of households and population) living in home with >2M net worth.
Even if thats “just the house value” doesn’t change the fact that they can still sell the house in this market and go live as kings in most other places on the planet.
GreatRyujin on
This is why we can’t have ~~nice~~ things.
Sir_smokes_a_lot on
Class-warfare and the masses don’t even know they’re in it
fivedogit on
I’d like to see this broken down by age. I doubt anybody would choose to be in the 0.1% range while simultaneously turning 85.
redandblue4lyfe on
if you want to talk about the growth of anything that is expected to grow exponentially, the y axis should be on a log scale so that a linear regression is an estimate of the growth rate
Fangslash on
Since wealth growth is exponential I’d recommend that you use an index graph. Right now all is says it people with money earns more money.
Khue on
If anyone’s curious, part of the fall of Rome is attributed to an oligarch class, amassing too much power. They did crazy shit like replacing the labor class with slaves which bifurcated the citizenry and created a massive wealth gap. The labor class fell into destitution. There were a bunch of other causes as well, but this was for sure one of them.
cbourd on
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YoungestDonkey on
The hoeading class keeps hoarding all the wealth and ~~bribing~~ lobbying politicians to continue to pass tax laws that allow them to keep hoarding.
anonymous_identifier on
I’d love to see this data with liquid assets. Or at least excluding primary residence.
You can own a home that went from 500k to 2M, but you have no way to feel that in your daily life unless you move to a LCOL area.
LeinDaddy on
Over 2 million net worth just to crack the top 10%!?!?
What am I doing wrong with my life
Tr_Issei2 on
Don’t worry, the fine people over at r/askeconomics say this is great.
cbourd on
My last comment got censored by reddit so let’s try this again:
What these charts as well as the works of world leading experts on the subject matter like piketty, zucman, stieglitz, and chancel clearly show is that it is a handful of individuals who are driving the vast majority of wealth inequality. As a hypothetical question, when would it make sense to forcibly redistribute this wealth?
For instance if one person has 80% of the wealth of a country, it obviously has a socially beneficial outcome to force this person’s wealth to be redistributed. We aren’t quite there yet but I am interested in hearing opinions on where the line should be drawn.
sjintje on
It’s kind of meaningless without some reference (median, gdp, etc)
lolexecs on
You know it’s funny looking at this chart, especially if you’ve happened to read Atlas Shrugged.
The top of the US income stack is largely the much of the professional class or the real, what Rand describes as *producers,* that make the machinery of the US go.
I know chaps like Musk love to say that he’s responsible for OpenAI, Tesla, SpaceX, and others. But he’s clearly not the one who actually coded up the first LLMs, designed/rolled out the charging infrastructure, or designed the rocket motors – he was just the money guy.
So when you look at a chart like this, the only real takeaway is that the spoils of innovation are being seized by the politically protected extractive class, and those folks are basically strip mining shit out of everyone doing the work to make them wealthy (or to quote 30 Rock, extracting all of the juice from your Mind Grapes, like Jack Welch).
Given the fact that the US is becoming downright hostile to the „builders“ – producers, innovators, scientists, and engineers,
Maybe the question is not “Who is John Galt?”
The question is, why would any young person with a brain and options build here?
will_dormer on
It is only fair the 0,1 pct own 90 pct of wealth. Prove me wrong pore peasants, hahaha
jabs09 on
Looks like rich elite class took inflation very seriously.
Beautiful_Finger4566 on
what this is telling me is that wealth is indeed trickling down
everyone’s winning, it’s just that some are winning more
KibbledJiveElkZoo on
The ratios of top 10 to top 1 and top 10 to top 0.1:
||10 to 1|10 to 0.1|
|:-|:-|:-|
|2001|4.9|16.3|
|2004|5.3|17.4|
|2007|5.8|21.1|
|2010|5.4|17.6|
|2013|5.5|19.0|
|2016|5.6|21.9|
|2019|5.9|21.6|
|2022|5.2|21.6|
tomrlutong on
I think this should be divided by the average (or median?) household wealth to make the point most cleanly.
If I’m reading [this](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGZ1FL192090005Q#) right, overall wealth increased ~3.5x over that period, which is strange. Hard to believe the groups on this graph did worse than average.
Germanofthebored on
I wonder what this would have looked ike in a log plot that captures the relative increase. If everybody would be 3x as rich over those 20+ years, I wouldn’t mind it as much
flamableozone on
Are these inflation adjusted or nominal dollars?
skyteria on
That’s because they worked 200% harder.
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Source: [0.1%](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBLTP1311), [1%](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBL99T999309), [10%](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBLN09304)
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Would be curious for more data points on this, such as the top 30% and 50%, interesting graph
Don’t worry, it will trickle down any minute now
Even the ~~wages~~ wealth of the top 10% appear practically stagnant by comparison to the top 0.1%.
What would they do about this kind of situation in Nepal? Or in France?
as a kid becoming a millionaire was the dream and now it’s not even money you can retire on.
And this ends in 2022 which doesn’t cover a lot of the run up in stock prices post-covid.
Eat the rich… occupy wall street… No?
Thats actually impressive, that means there are about 30M Americans (assuming and equal distribution of households and population) living in home with >2M net worth.
Even if thats “just the house value” doesn’t change the fact that they can still sell the house in this market and go live as kings in most other places on the planet.
This is why we can’t have ~~nice~~ things.
Class-warfare and the masses don’t even know they’re in it
I’d like to see this broken down by age. I doubt anybody would choose to be in the 0.1% range while simultaneously turning 85.
if you want to talk about the growth of anything that is expected to grow exponentially, the y axis should be on a log scale so that a linear regression is an estimate of the growth rate
Since wealth growth is exponential I’d recommend that you use an index graph. Right now all is says it people with money earns more money.
If anyone’s curious, part of the fall of Rome is attributed to an oligarch class, amassing too much power. They did crazy shit like replacing the labor class with slaves which bifurcated the citizenry and created a massive wealth gap. The labor class fell into destitution. There were a bunch of other causes as well, but this was for sure one of them.
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The hoeading class keeps hoarding all the wealth and ~~bribing~~ lobbying politicians to continue to pass tax laws that allow them to keep hoarding.
I’d love to see this data with liquid assets. Or at least excluding primary residence.
You can own a home that went from 500k to 2M, but you have no way to feel that in your daily life unless you move to a LCOL area.
Over 2 million net worth just to crack the top 10%!?!?
What am I doing wrong with my life
Don’t worry, the fine people over at r/askeconomics say this is great.
My last comment got censored by reddit so let’s try this again:
What these charts as well as the works of world leading experts on the subject matter like piketty, zucman, stieglitz, and chancel clearly show is that it is a handful of individuals who are driving the vast majority of wealth inequality. As a hypothetical question, when would it make sense to forcibly redistribute this wealth?
For instance if one person has 80% of the wealth of a country, it obviously has a socially beneficial outcome to force this person’s wealth to be redistributed. We aren’t quite there yet but I am interested in hearing opinions on where the line should be drawn.
It’s kind of meaningless without some reference (median, gdp, etc)
You know it’s funny looking at this chart, especially if you’ve happened to read Atlas Shrugged.
The top of the US income stack is largely the much of the professional class or the real, what Rand describes as *producers,* that make the machinery of the US go.
I know chaps like Musk love to say that he’s responsible for OpenAI, Tesla, SpaceX, and others. But he’s clearly not the one who actually coded up the first LLMs, designed/rolled out the charging infrastructure, or designed the rocket motors – he was just the money guy.
So when you look at a chart like this, the only real takeaway is that the spoils of innovation are being seized by the politically protected extractive class, and those folks are basically strip mining shit out of everyone doing the work to make them wealthy (or to quote 30 Rock, extracting all of the juice from your Mind Grapes, like Jack Welch).
Given the fact that the US is becoming downright hostile to the „builders“ – producers, innovators, scientists, and engineers,
Maybe the question is not “Who is John Galt?”
The question is, why would any young person with a brain and options build here?
It is only fair the 0,1 pct own 90 pct of wealth. Prove me wrong pore peasants, hahaha
Looks like rich elite class took inflation very seriously.
what this is telling me is that wealth is indeed trickling down
everyone’s winning, it’s just that some are winning more
The ratios of top 10 to top 1 and top 10 to top 0.1:
https://preview.redd.it/soja9x4abcyg1.png?width=256&format=png&auto=webp&s=f8eab4ce161c62a7b238e6ee507e7a46565f1577
||10 to 1|10 to 0.1|
|:-|:-|:-|
|2001|4.9|16.3|
|2004|5.3|17.4|
|2007|5.8|21.1|
|2010|5.4|17.6|
|2013|5.5|19.0|
|2016|5.6|21.9|
|2019|5.9|21.6|
|2022|5.2|21.6|
I think this should be divided by the average (or median?) household wealth to make the point most cleanly.
If I’m reading [this](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGZ1FL192090005Q#) right, overall wealth increased ~3.5x over that period, which is strange. Hard to believe the groups on this graph did worse than average.
I wonder what this would have looked ike in a log plot that captures the relative increase. If everybody would be 3x as rich over those 20+ years, I wouldn’t mind it as much
Are these inflation adjusted or nominal dollars?
That’s because they worked 200% harder.