(Excerpt of the judge’s statement from the article): „*A key characteristic of the case or controversy requirement is the existence of adverseness, or “a dispute between parties who face each other in an adversary proceeding.” Aetna Life Ins. Co. of Hartford, Conn. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227, 242 (1937). “There must be an honest and actual antagonistic assertion of rights by one individual against another, which is neither feigned nor collusive.” Muransky, 979 F.3d at 981 (internal quotation marks and citations omitted). Typically, adverseness is found in a situation where one party is asserting its right and the other party is resisting. Nat’l Lab. Rels. Bd. v. Constellium Rolled Prods. Ravenswood, LLC, 43 F.4th 395, 400 (4th Cir. 2022) (internal quotations and citations omitted).* ***Consequently, if there is no adverseness, there is no case or controversy.***
*In the instant case, Defendants have not yet filed any notices of appearance. Nonetheless, the Parties have advised the Court that they are engaging in discussions to resolve this matter. Moreover, although President Trump avers that he is bringing this lawsuit in his personal capacity, he is the sitting president and his named adversaries are entities whose decisions are subject to his direction. 2 Indeed, President Trump’s own remarks about this matter acknowledge the unique dynamic of this litigation. 3 Accordingly, it is unclear to this Court whether the Parties are sufficiently adverse to each other so as to satisfy Article III’s case or controversy requirement.*“
Logical_Mode_5596 on
This isn’t even a legal battle, it’s a budget meeting with extra steps.
Pretty_Ad316 on
push this off until he is no longer president.
Rare_Paper4473 on
He’s handing himself 10 billion in taxes to pocket, they’re telling you that they need you to give another 400 million for his ballroom.
Ain’t that some bullshit?
GeorgiaPeach1056 on
I am in awe at the brazenness of Trump, who is a tax cheat, suing the IRS over the leak of his tax returns by a contractor, that happened years ago, but now that he is over the IRS and Treasury again decides now is the time to sue. And what is really astonishing is he is negotiating a settlement with himself. You just can’t make this shit up! It’s pure insanity!
KapahuluBiz on
I have MAGA relatives that I see regularly because we’re all shareholders in a family-owned business. At our last family meeting, I told them that Trump was suing for $10 billion. Every single one of them said it was „fake news“. I showed them a news article, but they still denied it. Right-wing media is staying away from this story.
I’m expecting that the next time I see my MAGA idiot relatives, they’ll probably say that Trump was victimized and deserves the $10 billion. But for now, Fox, Breitbart, et al seem to be pretty quiet about it.
w4rma on
Did Trump not judge shop properly? I thought for sure Trump’s lawyers would make sure the case would appear in front of some nepo-judge that Trump appointed.
Intolerance-Paradox on
>Typically, adverseness is found in a situation where one party is asserting its right and the other party is resisting. Nat’l Lab. Rels. Bd. v. Constellium Rolled Prods. Ravenswood, LLC, 43 F.4th 395, 400 (4th Cir. 2022) (internal quotations and citations omitted). Consequently, if there is no adverseness, there is no case or controversy.
GOTTEM
curiousthoughts20 on
The judge should hold Trump in contempt of court for attempting to abuse it to defraud the American citizens.
Signal_Minimum8509 on
“He’s a businessman! He’ll run the country like a business!”
So fucking tired of Republican voters. I’ve been around 42 years now and every generation just seems to be getting fucking dumber and dumber. It’s a tyranny of idiocy.
Dry-University797 on
Doesn’t matter. It only matters what the Supreme Court says.
Ok-Interaction-8917 on
A future president should pardon Charles Littlejohn for leaking the tax returns just like Mr. Fascist pardoned the Jan 6 insurrectionists.
TahitianPearl on
God, I detest that greedy fuck.
userhwon on
It’ll be fucking hilarious if she made up those cites.
RGQcats on
The IRS is not Trump’s IRS, it’s ours. This is part of the problem, he’s not a king, being president doesn’t mean he owns the government or us.
AmbientSociopath on
Any of you ever play Tropico?
Scarey_Delay8644 on
Everyone else can also sue the IRS after Elon turned his Doge spies loose in the offices. They had access to all files.
MediumCulture6537 on
He gets billions, you get the bill.
Mrs_SmithG2W on
Trump is a traitor.
jou-lea on
For outing his tax returns that are required to be public anyways. Where’s the crime? Where’s the injury?
RevealStunning9103 on
He rapes kids!
Kyonikos on
Was it Trump who said that Trump desperately wants to make a deal but it’s Trump who holds all the cards so Trump should just capitulate?
marinuss on
He’s not expecting $10 billion. He has used that number before with suits. It’s just a ridiculous number to force a settlement. Some others before have said likely the whole idea is for the IRS to „settle“ it at a much lower cost (still likely hundreds of millions) and Trump can claim he accepted the smaller amount because it would have impacted American taxpayers, „I saved you $9.5 billion dollars“ or something, and he still gets a payout.
Edit: Watch it’s something dumb like „You know what, my lawyers came back from the IRS SCANDAL and said Mr. President, the IRS is willing to settle for $10 billion. I almost took it. I could have. But then I thought to myself, why should good hardworking Americans have to pay for all of that? I’m rich, very wealthy you know. I don’t even need the $10 billion I was just going to donate it. So I told my lawyers. I told them, go back to the IRS and tell them let’s not do $10 billion, I think that is unfair to the taxpayers. But I need something, you know? So I told them, $500 million. I could have taken $10 billion, but I only took $500 million. Many say I saved the taxpayers $9.5 billion right there.“
ImportantToNote on
„just noticed“
MauPow on
Um, did he finally realize it’s corrupt as fuck?
Accomplished-Run221 on
Or everyone noticed and we were led by the nose through endless profitable news cycles fearing the worst, while the worst went unreported.
KrazeeStampede on
Thank you kind Judge lady for noting the obvious. Please stall until November and then let’s see what happens.
PDXGuy33333 on
Being an experienced trial lawyer I am ashamed that I was so busy mocking this „case“ that I failed to even explore my reasons in legal terms. Judge Williams hit the nail on the head.
U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 2 says:
>The judicial Power shall extend to all **Cases**, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority…—to **Controversies** to which the United States shall be a Party…
I hope people realize that trump has likely already stolen far more than 10 billion in US taxpayer funds directly from tariffs and is looking for a legal fig leaf to.cover his criminal theft.
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Trump is incredibly stupid.
(Excerpt of the judge’s statement from the article): „*A key characteristic of the case or controversy requirement is the existence of adverseness, or “a dispute between parties who face each other in an adversary proceeding.” Aetna Life Ins. Co. of Hartford, Conn. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227, 242 (1937). “There must be an honest and actual antagonistic assertion of rights by one individual against another, which is neither feigned nor collusive.” Muransky, 979 F.3d at 981 (internal quotation marks and citations omitted). Typically, adverseness is found in a situation where one party is asserting its right and the other party is resisting. Nat’l Lab. Rels. Bd. v. Constellium Rolled Prods. Ravenswood, LLC, 43 F.4th 395, 400 (4th Cir. 2022) (internal quotations and citations omitted).* ***Consequently, if there is no adverseness, there is no case or controversy.***
*In the instant case, Defendants have not yet filed any notices of appearance. Nonetheless, the Parties have advised the Court that they are engaging in discussions to resolve this matter. Moreover, although President Trump avers that he is bringing this lawsuit in his personal capacity, he is the sitting president and his named adversaries are entities whose decisions are subject to his direction. 2 Indeed, President Trump’s own remarks about this matter acknowledge the unique dynamic of this litigation. 3 Accordingly, it is unclear to this Court whether the Parties are sufficiently adverse to each other so as to satisfy Article III’s case or controversy requirement.*“
This isn’t even a legal battle, it’s a budget meeting with extra steps.
push this off until he is no longer president.
He’s handing himself 10 billion in taxes to pocket, they’re telling you that they need you to give another 400 million for his ballroom.
Ain’t that some bullshit?
I am in awe at the brazenness of Trump, who is a tax cheat, suing the IRS over the leak of his tax returns by a contractor, that happened years ago, but now that he is over the IRS and Treasury again decides now is the time to sue. And what is really astonishing is he is negotiating a settlement with himself. You just can’t make this shit up! It’s pure insanity!
I have MAGA relatives that I see regularly because we’re all shareholders in a family-owned business. At our last family meeting, I told them that Trump was suing for $10 billion. Every single one of them said it was „fake news“. I showed them a news article, but they still denied it. Right-wing media is staying away from this story.
I’m expecting that the next time I see my MAGA idiot relatives, they’ll probably say that Trump was victimized and deserves the $10 billion. But for now, Fox, Breitbart, et al seem to be pretty quiet about it.
Did Trump not judge shop properly? I thought for sure Trump’s lawyers would make sure the case would appear in front of some nepo-judge that Trump appointed.
>Typically, adverseness is found in a situation where one party is asserting its right and the other party is resisting. Nat’l Lab. Rels. Bd. v. Constellium Rolled Prods. Ravenswood, LLC, 43 F.4th 395, 400 (4th Cir. 2022) (internal quotations and citations omitted). Consequently, if there is no adverseness, there is no case or controversy.
GOTTEM
The judge should hold Trump in contempt of court for attempting to abuse it to defraud the American citizens.
“He’s a businessman! He’ll run the country like a business!”
So fucking tired of Republican voters. I’ve been around 42 years now and every generation just seems to be getting fucking dumber and dumber. It’s a tyranny of idiocy.
Doesn’t matter. It only matters what the Supreme Court says.
A future president should pardon Charles Littlejohn for leaking the tax returns just like Mr. Fascist pardoned the Jan 6 insurrectionists.
God, I detest that greedy fuck.
It’ll be fucking hilarious if she made up those cites.
The IRS is not Trump’s IRS, it’s ours. This is part of the problem, he’s not a king, being president doesn’t mean he owns the government or us.
Any of you ever play Tropico?
Everyone else can also sue the IRS after Elon turned his Doge spies loose in the offices. They had access to all files.
He gets billions, you get the bill.
Trump is a traitor.
For outing his tax returns that are required to be public anyways. Where’s the crime? Where’s the injury?
He rapes kids!
Was it Trump who said that Trump desperately wants to make a deal but it’s Trump who holds all the cards so Trump should just capitulate?
He’s not expecting $10 billion. He has used that number before with suits. It’s just a ridiculous number to force a settlement. Some others before have said likely the whole idea is for the IRS to „settle“ it at a much lower cost (still likely hundreds of millions) and Trump can claim he accepted the smaller amount because it would have impacted American taxpayers, „I saved you $9.5 billion dollars“ or something, and he still gets a payout.
Edit: Watch it’s something dumb like „You know what, my lawyers came back from the IRS SCANDAL and said Mr. President, the IRS is willing to settle for $10 billion. I almost took it. I could have. But then I thought to myself, why should good hardworking Americans have to pay for all of that? I’m rich, very wealthy you know. I don’t even need the $10 billion I was just going to donate it. So I told my lawyers. I told them, go back to the IRS and tell them let’s not do $10 billion, I think that is unfair to the taxpayers. But I need something, you know? So I told them, $500 million. I could have taken $10 billion, but I only took $500 million. Many say I saved the taxpayers $9.5 billion right there.“
„just noticed“
Um, did he finally realize it’s corrupt as fuck?
Or everyone noticed and we were led by the nose through endless profitable news cycles fearing the worst, while the worst went unreported.
Thank you kind Judge lady for noting the obvious. Please stall until November and then let’s see what happens.
Being an experienced trial lawyer I am ashamed that I was so busy mocking this „case“ that I failed to even explore my reasons in legal terms. Judge Williams hit the nail on the head.
U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 2 says:
>The judicial Power shall extend to all **Cases**, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority…—to **Controversies** to which the United States shall be a Party…
If there is no case or controversy there is nothing upon which an Article III court has authority to rule. The briefs that are due May 20 will be fascinating to read. When they are filed you can read them at CourtListerner.Com: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72207870/trump-v-internal-revenue-service/
The ol big diaper rapist
I hope people realize that trump has likely already stolen far more than 10 billion in US taxpayer funds directly from tariffs and is looking for a legal fig leaf to.cover his criminal theft.