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    Kanadier haben eine negative Einstellung zu Israel, unterstützen aber immer noch Grundrechte, Leger-Umfrage

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    1. Mundane-Teaching-743 on

      The main crux of the issue is here:

      > Leger’s survey finds that 80% of Canadians believe Jewish people have the right to a homeland where they can live freely and safely. Nearly as many, 76%, say the same about Palestinian people. That is one of the most striking findings in the report. It suggests that, despite polarized debate, most Canadians are not thinking in zero-sum terms. They are recognizing parallel rights.

      It’s not surprising because we have this in Canada.

      I don’t think either the Paslestinians or Israeli Jews really believe this, though. It doesn’t really matter if Palestinians believe this or not because they pretty much have to take whatever Israel gives them. Their opinons are irrelevant right now.

      But Israel holds all the cards, so what they believe is important. And they have continually insisted that Palestinians don;t exist as a people:

      https://www.facebook.com/emilyschraderil/videos/whos-gonna-tell-this-bimbo-that-palestine-has-never-been-a-country-or-even-an-in/1509249500425457/

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/no-such-thing-as-palestinian-people-top-israeli-minister-says

      They don’t really believe in a two-state solution, which is why they are continuing to sabotage it by settling the West Bank and bombing Gaza into oblivion.

      The only realistic solution now is a binational as opposed to a Jewish State.

    2. TrappedInLimbo on

      The problem is you can’t divorce the state of Israel’s existence from it’s ongoing violence towards people in that nation. It is completely consistent with how the state was created. I get a lot of people probably don’t have a full understanding of the history of Israel’s creation and just see it as a country that was created with altruistic intentions. But Jewish people do not deserve to steal land from other people under the guise of needing a safe homeland.

    3. elangab on

      From those that care/mind this conflict, people just want these two to co-exist. Some prefer to see one of them obliterate, sure, but not going to happen and will lead to nothing.

      We need to work with what we have, I do think that without WW2 and British Mandate things would have looked different (most likely this area split between surrounding states), but it is what it is.

    4. incitatus-says on

      What Israel’s supporters in Canada fail to realize is that we are not the US. When the switch flips here, it’s going to be much harder to switch back.

      We’re told ad nauseam that all peoples are welcome here as long as they don’t bring old-world quarrels with them. Well, here we have people born and bred in the new world spending their own money (or Heather Reisman’s) to go put on the uniform of a military conducting a genocide. How do you square that circle?

      Most alarmingly, thousands of these people now walk among us now. A silent Ustaše of sorts. 

    5. xXTheGrapenatorXx on

      This is the correct take, I’m constantly asked how a queer person can „support bigots“ but the answer to why I care about Gazans regardless of the prevailing beliefs is the same one explaining how I can support the basic human rights of Israelis regardless of *their* prevailing beliefs (ie the high public opinion for the genocide and apartheid state); there is nothing a person could do to void those rights, we are all entitled to them *no matter what* and I refuse to play the „perfect victim“ game to determine who „deserves“ them one way or the other. One state takes clear blame here as the one holding the other community captive and propping up their enemy with all those „mowing the grass“ operations, but civilians on both sides hold the same rights, and no matter how many attroccities are committed in the name of either side, with their support or not, those rights do not go away.

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