Of course the CEO’s who have invested millions into A.I. and probably even bought stock in the companies they are using will try to make it seem like A.I. is the best thing to ever happen to the world.
MisterMasterCyIinder on
Drowning? I made my own AI slopboat and now we’re all just circling the drain in a big AI-slop Charybdis together
MisterMasterCyIinder on
>40% of non-managers say AI saves them no time at all at work, while 92% of high-level executives say it makes them more productive.
So the people actually doing the work hate the sloppy and inaccurate but superficially polished output of AI and the managers love how quickly it can churn out their typical meaningless horseshit.
Go figure.
keenumsbigballs on
AI was supposed to make it so we had 4 day work weeks and 6 hour work days. Instead they cut half the staff and put double the work on everyone else and justify it by saying the AI tools will make you more productive and efficient. Can’t get the job done? Job market is mad max of people trying to get hired. We’ll get someone else.
banditta82 on
At many large firms productivity is just measured in meaningless paperwork being moved around. Quantity vs quality which is of course harder to judge. So ya based on their awful standards productivity is up, the same way RTO „increased productivity“ by increasing the amount of „at desk“ time. AI fits perfectly into management by spreadsheet.
Disgruntled-Cacti on
Leadership and management are completely disconnected from actual labor. They have no idea what most of their employees actually do let alone have the ability to quantify and measure the output of their labor. Of course they have no clue about whether AI is making an impact or not.
Appeltaart232 on
If as a manager you’re tracking productivity with the number of lines of code your company can spit out, congratulations – you’re stupid.
timeaisis on
Who could have seen this coming! Oh yeah, everyone who does work for a living.
Due_Satisfaction2167 on
The actual source of the divide is this: middle managers and executives are finding LLMs to be extremely useful and productive because it’s a perfect fit to replace their roles.
But they have their own personal experience, and since it’s good at replacing their job, they presume it must be equally good at replacing individual contributors too.
It isn’t.
These tools *should* be causing a bloodbath among middle management as orgs become able to radically flatten their org charts due to LLMs being able to effectively do their own ETL -> Summarization work that lets higher level decision-makers keep awareness over a lot more than they used to.
RedHawwk on
I think it makes my work look “better”. But now everyone just passes around AI written text and I gotta wonder how much is actually being read or processed. Sometimes I feel like I’m just making AI slide decks for the sake of it.
SomeSamples on
Bosses are lying sacks of shit. What they mean is AI saves them bunches of money on payroll.
_cob_ on
This just in: bosses out of touch.
jb4647 on
It’s always been workslop.
bonzoboy2000 on
I enjoy using AI. Especially on complex codes. But I find myself asking key questions different ways to see if the answer is correct. It’s time consuming for sure. I often look to see if the chat is taking my own words and just reorienting them.
For complex codes, it is very useful. But I can tell when someone sends me slop. And they didn’t read it.
wowlock_taylan on
They don’t even know what ‚Productivity‘ is.
The executives just think random slop that have AI put out is ‚good work‘ instead of the lowest level of slop that needs to be fixed by humans.
Skie on
I’ve seen people with seriously questionable tech and critical thinking skills adopt Copilot and begin replying in Teams channels to damn near every tech „how to“ question with AI generated responses. The responses are the typical stuff you get from Copilot or a google search, where it does an okay job for basic questions but gets things seriously wrong as soon as anything is obscure or new.
I’ve raised it with people as a bit concerning, because they’re clearly wasting a lot of other peoples time on slop answers, but nobody wants to do anything about it because „they’re being helpful“.
niknacks on
The amount of times „leaders“ at my company dump some truly aggregious slop on me, without also noting the information within is complete and utter garbage (because they either don’t understand our industry or business well enough to recognize it OR worse didn’t even bother to read it) is getting insane.
The only reason I believe ai can replace upper and middle management is because it already has at my company and yet we still keep paying for these people to show up and give an agent terrible prompts
gccumber on
I find it strange that companies aren’t talking about how AI can allow them to do more with current headcount. Instead they want to reduce… that doesn’t really make sense.
SomeGalNamedAshley on
And what do the actual workers say?
Pjpjpjpjpj on
The amount of “make work” AI allows middle managers to do is absolutely mind boggling.
My manager sent me a meeting request. It was scheduled for 30 minutes. The invite included a 4 page AI written agenda. Tons and tons of bullet points and topics to cover.
It would have taken me many hours to fully prepare. I thought screw it, and rolled the die.
I showed up (video call) and basically said “do you want to go through the agenda point by point or do you just want to discuss project X.” I don’t think he even remembered his AI agenda.
Then after the meeting, I get an email asking me to review a clearly-AI generated summary of our meeting that must have been done from a recorded transcript of our discussion. He wanted me to review 8 pages of notes and reply with detailed edits. That I’m sure he would have AI review and reply.
I just ignored the email and he never followed up.
There is a coming AI war – it’s going to be between managers creating AI-generated useless make-work demands and employees responding with AI-generated checkbox answers.
-The_Blazer- on
> While initial drafts were a breeze to create, Ken and his co-workers had to spend more time rewriting, correcting errors and resolving disagreements between each other’s chatbots than if they had never used AI at all.
This is my experience too. AI nowadays is impressively good at spitting out something and automatically testing and reviewing it so it becomes functional enough to meet stated requirements (mostly).
The problem comes when anyone else has to do anything with it. Half of the job of a knowledge worker is that whole *knowledge* part, not the literal typing of text or code. AI deprives you of that, so good luck maintaining or extending or generally doing anything with an AI output. And good luck if you need to explain it to anyone. And god help you if you need to provide guarantees about what it does or is to someone important.
That’s my problem fundamentally: if you told me to just generate slop with AI and then exempted me from responsibility, I’d be all for it. I’d make slop for one hour and then twiddle my thumbs the remaining seven. But companies want the speed of slop with the quality and knowledge of human work, and the two things are in direct opposition.
As it turns out, no sane manager *actually* wants to take the responsibility of truly AI-centric work.
Lower_Ad_1317 on
The only boost they’re seeing is the perceived future lay offs they’re hoping to throw at everyone.
Ai has very limited use scenarios right now. Everything else is smoke and mirrors combined with possible irresponsible ‘let’s see what happens’ scenarios.
Without actual self awareness it is a tool that must be monitored. And if it has to be monitored then it isn’t going to produce the results the AI bros are pushing for it
It is hand waving and shiny sparkly promises while the money flows. Wait until the bubble bursts and you will see how many are thrown under the bus.
srahsrah101 on
Every CEO I’ve had since chatGPT came out has used it to “discover” some new training method or model that magically works. Takes me precious time to unravel and explain “no, you can’t test on your training data” for the thousandth time.
APlannedBadIdea on
Not up professional standards. Bosses often love it. Speaks more to the level of review and specialized knowledge of middle management which is understandable given the role supervision provides. Doesn’t change that my heart sinks when the grammar of my colleagues‘ work reads like unedited ChatGPT output.
Derpykins666 on
AI would be a potentially great boon if it weren’t for greed. The companies want to have the cake and eat it to. They all fired a lot of their work force and doubled the work of the next employee while making them train the AIs to eventually replace them as well and paying them next to nothing.
Not sure what the endgame of this looks like when nobody has jobs because everything is automated, who will have any money for any sort of products?
Rsubs33 on
My leadership is all about AI. I think it is useful to help check language and it’s decent at putting slides together though they all need to be edited but none of our leadership take the time to do that
i_am_13th_panic on
We tried using ai at my job. It takes longer to check results then just doing it ourselves most of the time.
No_Sleep428 on
I seriously have been inputting AI slop from work documents back into copilot and asking to make it “sound more human-like”. It’s so hard to understand with jargon and corp BS.
icepick3383 on
all that’s happening is a bunch of new documentation is being made from conversations and turned into ai-written memos – which are then circulated and subsequently ignored because nobody can stay on top of the AI slop being passed around – and do their day to day stuff. I’ve got c-suite and svp’s doing ‚vibe coding‘ all over the place and passing it over to eng saying ’see, it’s easy‘ – and that’s considered ‚being productive‘. I’m so over it.
I do use it to help with documentation and other tasks, but fuck me, it’s just drastically increased the amount of stuff people consider ‚work‘. whole cloth presentations being churned out and disseminated without review or insight. it’s fuckin ponderous, man.
runyonave on
Company I work for has invested millions in to AI. We had an all team meeting where they mandated that we all use AI to write code, and not write our own code. It’s ridiculous.
VNM0601 on
I hear AI can replace C-suites pretty efficiently.
zippopwnage on
I don’t know man, I don’t care about my work. I just care to get some money. The company I work for doesn’t care about me or whatever. If anything happens to my health tomorrow, they will instantly replace me. I’m gonna use AI as much as possible to deliver the most mediocre output or whatever it delivers.
It helps me finish my tasks faster and it actually work for what it is. I don’t want to consume my life working.
I get the hate of AI replacing people, but those companies that replaces you for some shitty AI, was already actively looking on how to get less people working for more.
But I hate this thing, we act here like ohh no we care about the companies we work for.
BreadForTofuCheese on
But it’s more slop than before!
It was slop before AI even.
GultBoy on
Ah r/technology where everyone certainly does not have their head in the sand.
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Of course the CEO’s who have invested millions into A.I. and probably even bought stock in the companies they are using will try to make it seem like A.I. is the best thing to ever happen to the world.
Drowning? I made my own AI slopboat and now we’re all just circling the drain in a big AI-slop Charybdis together
>40% of non-managers say AI saves them no time at all at work, while 92% of high-level executives say it makes them more productive.
So the people actually doing the work hate the sloppy and inaccurate but superficially polished output of AI and the managers love how quickly it can churn out their typical meaningless horseshit.
Go figure.
AI was supposed to make it so we had 4 day work weeks and 6 hour work days. Instead they cut half the staff and put double the work on everyone else and justify it by saying the AI tools will make you more productive and efficient. Can’t get the job done? Job market is mad max of people trying to get hired. We’ll get someone else.
At many large firms productivity is just measured in meaningless paperwork being moved around. Quantity vs quality which is of course harder to judge. So ya based on their awful standards productivity is up, the same way RTO „increased productivity“ by increasing the amount of „at desk“ time. AI fits perfectly into management by spreadsheet.
Leadership and management are completely disconnected from actual labor. They have no idea what most of their employees actually do let alone have the ability to quantify and measure the output of their labor. Of course they have no clue about whether AI is making an impact or not.
If as a manager you’re tracking productivity with the number of lines of code your company can spit out, congratulations – you’re stupid.
Who could have seen this coming! Oh yeah, everyone who does work for a living.
The actual source of the divide is this: middle managers and executives are finding LLMs to be extremely useful and productive because it’s a perfect fit to replace their roles.
But they have their own personal experience, and since it’s good at replacing their job, they presume it must be equally good at replacing individual contributors too.
It isn’t.
These tools *should* be causing a bloodbath among middle management as orgs become able to radically flatten their org charts due to LLMs being able to effectively do their own ETL -> Summarization work that lets higher level decision-makers keep awareness over a lot more than they used to.
I think it makes my work look “better”. But now everyone just passes around AI written text and I gotta wonder how much is actually being read or processed. Sometimes I feel like I’m just making AI slide decks for the sake of it.
Bosses are lying sacks of shit. What they mean is AI saves them bunches of money on payroll.
This just in: bosses out of touch.
It’s always been workslop.
I enjoy using AI. Especially on complex codes. But I find myself asking key questions different ways to see if the answer is correct. It’s time consuming for sure. I often look to see if the chat is taking my own words and just reorienting them.
For complex codes, it is very useful. But I can tell when someone sends me slop. And they didn’t read it.
They don’t even know what ‚Productivity‘ is.
The executives just think random slop that have AI put out is ‚good work‘ instead of the lowest level of slop that needs to be fixed by humans.
I’ve seen people with seriously questionable tech and critical thinking skills adopt Copilot and begin replying in Teams channels to damn near every tech „how to“ question with AI generated responses. The responses are the typical stuff you get from Copilot or a google search, where it does an okay job for basic questions but gets things seriously wrong as soon as anything is obscure or new.
I’ve raised it with people as a bit concerning, because they’re clearly wasting a lot of other peoples time on slop answers, but nobody wants to do anything about it because „they’re being helpful“.
The amount of times „leaders“ at my company dump some truly aggregious slop on me, without also noting the information within is complete and utter garbage (because they either don’t understand our industry or business well enough to recognize it OR worse didn’t even bother to read it) is getting insane.
The only reason I believe ai can replace upper and middle management is because it already has at my company and yet we still keep paying for these people to show up and give an agent terrible prompts
I find it strange that companies aren’t talking about how AI can allow them to do more with current headcount. Instead they want to reduce… that doesn’t really make sense.
And what do the actual workers say?
The amount of “make work” AI allows middle managers to do is absolutely mind boggling.
My manager sent me a meeting request. It was scheduled for 30 minutes. The invite included a 4 page AI written agenda. Tons and tons of bullet points and topics to cover.
It would have taken me many hours to fully prepare. I thought screw it, and rolled the die.
I showed up (video call) and basically said “do you want to go through the agenda point by point or do you just want to discuss project X.” I don’t think he even remembered his AI agenda.
Then after the meeting, I get an email asking me to review a clearly-AI generated summary of our meeting that must have been done from a recorded transcript of our discussion. He wanted me to review 8 pages of notes and reply with detailed edits. That I’m sure he would have AI review and reply.
I just ignored the email and he never followed up.
There is a coming AI war – it’s going to be between managers creating AI-generated useless make-work demands and employees responding with AI-generated checkbox answers.
> While initial drafts were a breeze to create, Ken and his co-workers had to spend more time rewriting, correcting errors and resolving disagreements between each other’s chatbots than if they had never used AI at all.
This is my experience too. AI nowadays is impressively good at spitting out something and automatically testing and reviewing it so it becomes functional enough to meet stated requirements (mostly).
The problem comes when anyone else has to do anything with it. Half of the job of a knowledge worker is that whole *knowledge* part, not the literal typing of text or code. AI deprives you of that, so good luck maintaining or extending or generally doing anything with an AI output. And good luck if you need to explain it to anyone. And god help you if you need to provide guarantees about what it does or is to someone important.
That’s my problem fundamentally: if you told me to just generate slop with AI and then exempted me from responsibility, I’d be all for it. I’d make slop for one hour and then twiddle my thumbs the remaining seven. But companies want the speed of slop with the quality and knowledge of human work, and the two things are in direct opposition.
As it turns out, no sane manager *actually* wants to take the responsibility of truly AI-centric work.
The only boost they’re seeing is the perceived future lay offs they’re hoping to throw at everyone.
Ai has very limited use scenarios right now. Everything else is smoke and mirrors combined with possible irresponsible ‘let’s see what happens’ scenarios.
Without actual self awareness it is a tool that must be monitored. And if it has to be monitored then it isn’t going to produce the results the AI bros are pushing for it
It is hand waving and shiny sparkly promises while the money flows. Wait until the bubble bursts and you will see how many are thrown under the bus.
Every CEO I’ve had since chatGPT came out has used it to “discover” some new training method or model that magically works. Takes me precious time to unravel and explain “no, you can’t test on your training data” for the thousandth time.
Not up professional standards. Bosses often love it. Speaks more to the level of review and specialized knowledge of middle management which is understandable given the role supervision provides. Doesn’t change that my heart sinks when the grammar of my colleagues‘ work reads like unedited ChatGPT output.
AI would be a potentially great boon if it weren’t for greed. The companies want to have the cake and eat it to. They all fired a lot of their work force and doubled the work of the next employee while making them train the AIs to eventually replace them as well and paying them next to nothing.
Not sure what the endgame of this looks like when nobody has jobs because everything is automated, who will have any money for any sort of products?
My leadership is all about AI. I think it is useful to help check language and it’s decent at putting slides together though they all need to be edited but none of our leadership take the time to do that
We tried using ai at my job. It takes longer to check results then just doing it ourselves most of the time.
I seriously have been inputting AI slop from work documents back into copilot and asking to make it “sound more human-like”. It’s so hard to understand with jargon and corp BS.
all that’s happening is a bunch of new documentation is being made from conversations and turned into ai-written memos – which are then circulated and subsequently ignored because nobody can stay on top of the AI slop being passed around – and do their day to day stuff. I’ve got c-suite and svp’s doing ‚vibe coding‘ all over the place and passing it over to eng saying ’see, it’s easy‘ – and that’s considered ‚being productive‘. I’m so over it.
I do use it to help with documentation and other tasks, but fuck me, it’s just drastically increased the amount of stuff people consider ‚work‘. whole cloth presentations being churned out and disseminated without review or insight. it’s fuckin ponderous, man.
Company I work for has invested millions in to AI. We had an all team meeting where they mandated that we all use AI to write code, and not write our own code. It’s ridiculous.
I hear AI can replace C-suites pretty efficiently.
I don’t know man, I don’t care about my work. I just care to get some money. The company I work for doesn’t care about me or whatever. If anything happens to my health tomorrow, they will instantly replace me. I’m gonna use AI as much as possible to deliver the most mediocre output or whatever it delivers.
It helps me finish my tasks faster and it actually work for what it is. I don’t want to consume my life working.
I get the hate of AI replacing people, but those companies that replaces you for some shitty AI, was already actively looking on how to get less people working for more.
But I hate this thing, we act here like ohh no we care about the companies we work for.
But it’s more slop than before!
It was slop before AI even.
Ah r/technology where everyone certainly does not have their head in the sand.