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    Ethnische Gruppen im Pannonischen Becken um 1495 und 2000

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    1. Environmentalister on

      There is no ethnic map in 1495, viktor orban is full of putin juice

    2. The-quick-brown-fox8 on

      Fascinating. Does anyone know if the 1495 ethnic distribution is based on tax records or later reconstructions? I’m curious how precise those early estimates are

    4. RedstoneEnjoyer on

      That first map gets reposted here every month, and i will always repeat the exact same comment – Hungarians being majority around Nitra is complete nonsense.

    6. IvanStarokapustin on

      Is the point of the map that one has to go back 500 years to find a time where Hungary was important? Or that 500 years later there are still Hungarians that can’t find their way home?

    7. Lucky-Banana-2101 on

      Hungary had several waves of mass immigration namely after the tatar genocide in 1241 where half of the hungarian population perished. King Béla the 4th brought in germans, jász and kun people (nomadic people who quicly assimilated) and slavs to the north (there were already alvic populatipn but the slovaks formed after the merger of slavik immigrants from the north and slavs who lived there already. Romanians where a very small fraction up until 1699 after the turks where defeated and hungary was liberated. The population in the former occupation zone almost disapeared so a new wave of immigration was needed because the humgarians moved to the empty central regions and romanians, and slavs moved to the outer regions this is when hungary became very multy ethnic. The southern regions where settled by serbs who were loyal to the habsburgs and they were tax free in return for  military duties against rebels.

      Edit: pls instead of downvoting if the topic intrests you learn a bit about it and then feel free to correct me if im wrong.

    8. OreunGZ on

      For anyone wondering, the first map is based on a study by the [Hungarian Academy of Sciences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Academy_of_Sciences). According to [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hungary), it is „based on a nationwide registry conducted in the Kingdom of Hungary by commission of the royal treasury“ and it „shows the estimated absolute or relative linguistic majority of the local population based on the family names of taxpayers recorded in national or domanial registers, the linguistic analysis of the names of geographic objects and on various scholarly sources“.

      I don’t really know if it is really that accurate (wikipedia notes it as disputed), but many hungarians were indeed uprooted and forced to flee inwards during the ottoman invasion. I do not know to what extent this happened.

    10. Guilty-Literature312 on

      Interesting.

      Clearly, there is not a snowflake’s chance in hell any sane being would ever argue to change borders based on this. But the map is interesting to me, as a Dutch citizen who is somewhat familiar with the region and its borders.

      It seems that the Hungarian language is spoken in an area confined by the mountains to the North. So only in a fairly small part of Slovakia and a tiny bit of Ukraine, Hungarian is spoken. The borders with Austria and Romania correspond almost exactly with the area within which Hungarian is the language of the majority.

      Of course, we do see German and Hungarian minorities deep within Romania, and a sizeable minority of Hungarian speakers in Northern Serbia. But compared to German speakers, who were massively expelled from current day russia, Poland, Czech republic and Slovakia, it seems mainly Hungarians living in areas surrounded by other language majority areas live outside today’s Hungary.

      The treaty of Trianon was clearly significantly milder to Hungary than I realised until today.

    12. Djcreeper1011 on

      Ethnic groups map from 1495? Yeah, sure, like I’m gonna believe this is true. Also, it’s pointless, ethnic groups back then didn’t mean much since national identity didn’t really exist in almost all of the countries yet.

    14. LetRevolutionary271 on

      Did the word „ethnic“ even exist back then? This map is probably exaggerated and imprecise. Though it is likely true that there were more Hungarians in Western Transylvania as many left / died in those areas during the Ottoman invasions and Romanians settled them

    15. Timauris on

      1495? Didn’t know the Kingdom of Hungary actually carried out modern population censuses.

    16. Yesodisnotop on

      one suprising thing about history as a Western-European. Is there exist big livable areas without anyone actually there.

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