You have to be a special kind of fucked up to be rich and/or famous. No morals, no empathy, willing to do whatever it takes to rise, no matter the cost. In a world where barely legal “women” make wayyy more money selling their bodies than the person teaching your child how to be a decent human being, I believe there’s a problem. I know a few teachers that quit even though they loved teaching, but made a lot more money being a bartender/waitress. Imagine that.
Maximum__Pleasure on
This is a cope for unsuccessful people who had a decent-or-better GPA in college.
Acedemia doesn’t (won’t) teach kids that networking, presentation skills, salesmanship, and charisma are as vital as subject matter expertise in industry. Some folks pick this up as they go. Others cash-out and become perpetual hikers or beach bums. Society is run by MBA-havers, but this is a surmountable obstacle.
nnuunn on
Nerds used to get bullied for being nerds, and now they don’t, so they don’t understand that the world doesn’t reward raw intellect, it rewards social and emotional skills to a much higher degree.
Lcb500 on
Society is especially cooked. One of the main points itself, a purpose, has been to overturn the old world because it worked and made sense.
I won’t get into it but there is absolutely nothing incidental about this, nor the rest of what we see in society..
There have been coordinated multi-front assaults from all sides against old-fashioned intelligence and wisdom snd againstthe good, the right, against love, care and understanding. Against God. It has been extremely concerted over decades.
I have seen this in my life. Also I have seen how, when I was a teenager in the 1980s you could talk openly about conspiracy theories and most people would take you completely seriously, with real social concern, and believe you were talking about something important (and that anyway it is very important to air and discuss in this way).
I have seen that become today when our world is essentially run by so many, blatant, extreme conspiracies right in front of our eyes. However now it is nearly socially outlawed to talk about them, thanks to masses of inhuman social police.
I have seen so much more than most people in my life, the very core of the engine stretching into more or less everything. Given my complaint I’ve just made about what should be talked about and what is prevented there, I will sound conceited now, when I say I’ve seen so much and it’s so extreme I’m kind of unable to talk about it.
It’s so stupid and evil though, you have to wonder if you should waste your own consciousness by focusing on it, and shock and frighten other people. In any case most people couldn’t take it or believe most of it.
I just want to say that nearly nothing is incidental, nearly nothing is unplanned and we will in the next life be able to see the truth, the heinousness of this place, at least for the short time we will be able to countenance it in all it’s unbelievably disgusting reality.
apellcjecker on
People have degrees and book smarts but when it comes to interviewing and work, they typically have ZERO real world experience.
Happens a lot with kids getting degrees in engineering I know of. Looks great on paper but they can’t change a light bulb.
truth_antenna on
I am no academic, but I can tell you that being a hardworking honest individual working blue collar trade jobs will not get you anywhere these days either. It seems like the entire system is trying to push out anyone with any sort of drive or original thoughts.
snotrocket151 on
They are the real ones they know it’s doomed
TheWillsofSilence on
Everyone who did everything right still got the rug pulled out from under them, while the people who made the most selfish and irresponsible decisions got rewarded.
Now AI’s here and it barely feels like any of it mattered anyway.
We’ve got oligarchs saying we won’t even need doctors, while doctors are drowning in hundreds of thousands in debt.
After a while you realize it’s all meaningless; nepotism will outperform intelligence every time in a system like this.
TheJWal420 on
Disillusioned with the old american dream that was pitched as the key yo happiness when the real key is just to be happy regardless of everything?
PracticalCurrent8409 on
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy but rather how networking and charisma will get you further in life than just academics or intelligence alone.
Trust me, as someone who is an introvert and I hate brown nosing with a passion, I wish this wasn’t true. But unfortunately it is. I have seen TOO many situations where people who are incompetent still manage to climb the ladder because they knew how to suck up to the right people. So as a result, they get promoted over those who deserve it more but didn’t play the game properly. It’s just how it is. The world values emotional intelligence and someone’s ability to be likable/charismatic over their competencies.
On the other hand though, there is something truly messed up with how influencers, who don’t really benefit society, are making way more money than people who actually keep our society functioning. We are failing as a society. Especially when I am hearing of more kids saying they want to be an influencer. Like oh boy…
sHaDowpUpPetxxx on
Social skills seem to be the most important
synapse187 on
Bosses do not hire someone who is smarter then they are. Bosses are insecure and never want their anything challenged.
Bosses want someone just competent enough to make them money but not competent enough to possibly take their job.
OhJustANobody on
Part of what i see here is that people went to school for a very specific, potentially high-pay job and found out there was little need for the position they studied for and then found themselves lost. The „mid“ people likely took general couses and went where there was need and were able to climb a corporate ladder.
Myself, while i was a smart kid, but i hated school and chose to have fun and get in trouble. I also couldn’t afford to go to college/university, so i got into the trades, worked hard and smart. I started making decent money for my age without getting buried with student debt. I’m by no means rich, but i live comfortably, don’t waste my money on nonsense, and i live within my means.
Things are tougher for people now, but giving up gets you nowhere.
AbbreviationsHot1200 on
Remember, this world is run by Lucifer.
8trac on
Book smarts don’t translate to street uhhh… Education
Increase_Empty on
Because to be successful in a mediocre world you have to be accepting of mediocrity, and that means people with too much intelligence skin themselves simply by understanding exactly how evil and screwed up it is. Meanwhile Dave gets nothing, but is nice to everyone, delusionally optimistic, and likes football. Dave goes to the game with the owner, and you whisper in agitated tones about how palantir will regulate our movement in the future. It doesn’t matter if you’re right, ignorance is bliss, and the world runs on the copious that people accuse each other of. Ignorance is a fuel source that corporations burn to generate compliance and effort when there shouldn’t be any. When you see how the rats run on the wheel, the only people who can move up afterward and not crack are usually psychopaths. Basically, we don’t need the best and brightest and it’s preferable they don’t cause problems, if they want to help enslave society they can go learn in the ai or robotics realm but they’ll have a rough time achieving greatness through decency
osrssubreditmodssuck on
a lot of these types of people(beach bums, RV/van livers, perpetual hikers) are some of the most street and philosophically intelligent people you will have conversations with. they see the rat race for what it is and reject it for a simpler life where they can still be happy at the basic level
Hopeful-Flounder-203 on
Devoted half my life to corporate. Did well. Hated it. Then it hated me. So we’re divorced. I kept the family, corporate got the summer home. I won.
dhv503 on
“I don’t want thinkers, I want workers!!”
Why do you think they target you if you unionize?
Why do you think whistleblowers get punished?
Why do you think they shelve technology that helps humanity rather than profits off of it?
King_of_the_Goats on
Because people with a brain understand that the pursuit of money in a dying world is ultimately pointless. So why keep trying?
myviewfromoutside on
26F i am seeing the same thing, can confirm.
I notice this with social morals / social capital too. The worst most immoral people I know, sociopathic, stepping over others, abrasive, manipulative… Have the most friends and biggest network, and GET the relationships, including in dating.
Those that are „old school“ decent human beings with a moral compass have less / no friends and a much harder time professionally. It does not pay to follow the rules / social contract, nobody follows them! So f’d
and as an fyi a lot of these comments are describing exactly what i’m talking about, except they don’t use the right words and are in reverence of these people. ‚Dark-triad‘ psychological traits are rewarded in society
jvinc on
I had a terrible GPA, was a terrible student. I don’t even know who the valedictorian of my class was.
Despite that, I have something like top 5% of incomes in the US, am married to a beautiful woman, have a child, own multiple houses.
I’m in my 30s.
My success is partially luck, but mostly just strong analytical skills and a hard work ethic and a good degree.
JackHoff13 on
The education system doesn’t reward the qualities required to be successful. Being socially intelligent can’t be taught but rather learned from experiences
yabdabdo on
IMO it’s never been easier to have high quality of life in regards to freedom, and free time, for a childless adult. WFH jobs, bartending, serving etc give a ton of freedom. Instant access to any information in the world. Cheap travel. Easy to scout in advance and find gig work before you move somewhere.
Is it tough to provide for a family in a big house in a decent city on one income? Yeah, that’s tougher. Just the way it is right now.
Koopacha on
We are slaves
Impressive_Usual_923 on
Midwit syndrome.
Turns out those best at memorizing and parroting textbooks and ideological professors garbage aren’t the most productive or successful in the real world.
Spare_Perspective972 on
Fitting in is a skill and talent. And I certainly don’t trust a Redditors assessment of “mid” or mediocre.
mountainman84 on
I think intelligent people eventually realize everything is rigged and either choose to work within the system and use that knowledge to their advantage or they completely check out. Everything is inherently unfair. Nepotism and favoritism have always beaten merit for as long as there have been humans and some sort of system of social hierarchy. Really I think college is pretty much a joke unless you go into some sort of STEM career where you learn technical skills that can’t be bullshitted. You need skills that trump nepotism and favoritism. The trades are another good example. Can’t really survive for long being a bullshit nepo hire as a plumber or electrician. You can either do the work or you can’t. All of the other jobs (especially middle management) are going to be full of people’s deadbeat kids and spouses who simply collect a paycheck because of who they know and who they blow. It has always been like that and will continue being like. Humans are inherently selfish.
sa1gon- on
people with souls suffer and generating loosh, people who are you talking about are mostly backdrop people,,NPCs , they could be inteligent but if you look at them closer you see that they are still the same spiritually as 20 years ago, and it suppose to be that way that they are doing „well“ in life because that creates this reality what it is , I was top student in my country everyone though that I would become „something“ , I’m not having children because it is morally wrong to bring them into this place this prison, I’m living in the middle of the forest in old house made of stones , I didn’t see people I know for months, only going to the valley for supplies once a week and feel that I don’t belong there, I did have a business but didn’t make it because I felt bad to charge people too much ..and mostly people are without morals and bad , every good person I know is basically poor or have other major problems like health or anything family related , and world is falling apart, I miss 80s 90s …time is also moving faster and faster and we are not in the same world like pre 2020
0x446f6b3832 on
Success, and society in general, is no longer merit-based, and hasn’t been for a while.
twinkiesmom1 on
I think there’s a certain level, probably senior director or VP level, where you will never get there unless you’re a member of the club.
Radio_Global on
Could be those people get tired of the bullshit easier, I’ve seen a quote saying high IQ people are more likely to have depression/anxiety. Maybe that’s because they have an easier time seeing past the bullshit and can put the pieces together and understand the manipulation. It all becomes too much and you just check out.
I could also see secret programs that identify high IQ people early and encourage them to go with the flow and work for them and if they see they reject their world they target them with some kind of Psyop.
Just_Another_AI on
Because the system isn’t a true meritocracy; being smart doesn’t mean you will automatically succeed; the system doesn’t rely purely on intelligence for success – there are a lot more things involved. Sales. Networking. Personality. Psychology. Nepotism.
klmnopqrstuvwxy on
Once a gifted kid now unemployed and working on an esoteric passion project no one seems to care about. How did you know!
Maybe we’re smart enough to know we want to live in a world where everyone thrives by chasing their passions, rather than participate in this crazy mess, so we’re just calmly waiting for all this shit to self-destruct as we prepare ourselves for the new world.
persikon on
There is academic intelligence and emotional intelligence. The latter is correlated to how successful you can be in life.
Environmental-Fly471 on
There is definitely this paradigm shift where society is geared to having to be a degenerate to make any sort of meaningful wealth.
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You have to be a special kind of fucked up to be rich and/or famous. No morals, no empathy, willing to do whatever it takes to rise, no matter the cost. In a world where barely legal “women” make wayyy more money selling their bodies than the person teaching your child how to be a decent human being, I believe there’s a problem. I know a few teachers that quit even though they loved teaching, but made a lot more money being a bartender/waitress. Imagine that.
This is a cope for unsuccessful people who had a decent-or-better GPA in college.
Acedemia doesn’t (won’t) teach kids that networking, presentation skills, salesmanship, and charisma are as vital as subject matter expertise in industry. Some folks pick this up as they go. Others cash-out and become perpetual hikers or beach bums. Society is run by MBA-havers, but this is a surmountable obstacle.
Nerds used to get bullied for being nerds, and now they don’t, so they don’t understand that the world doesn’t reward raw intellect, it rewards social and emotional skills to a much higher degree.
Society is especially cooked. One of the main points itself, a purpose, has been to overturn the old world because it worked and made sense.
I won’t get into it but there is absolutely nothing incidental about this, nor the rest of what we see in society..
There have been coordinated multi-front assaults from all sides against old-fashioned intelligence and wisdom snd againstthe good, the right, against love, care and understanding. Against God. It has been extremely concerted over decades.
I have seen this in my life. Also I have seen how, when I was a teenager in the 1980s you could talk openly about conspiracy theories and most people would take you completely seriously, with real social concern, and believe you were talking about something important (and that anyway it is very important to air and discuss in this way).
I have seen that become today when our world is essentially run by so many, blatant, extreme conspiracies right in front of our eyes. However now it is nearly socially outlawed to talk about them, thanks to masses of inhuman social police.
I have seen so much more than most people in my life, the very core of the engine stretching into more or less everything. Given my complaint I’ve just made about what should be talked about and what is prevented there, I will sound conceited now, when I say I’ve seen so much and it’s so extreme I’m kind of unable to talk about it.
It’s so stupid and evil though, you have to wonder if you should waste your own consciousness by focusing on it, and shock and frighten other people. In any case most people couldn’t take it or believe most of it.
I just want to say that nearly nothing is incidental, nearly nothing is unplanned and we will in the next life be able to see the truth, the heinousness of this place, at least for the short time we will be able to countenance it in all it’s unbelievably disgusting reality.
People have degrees and book smarts but when it comes to interviewing and work, they typically have ZERO real world experience.
Happens a lot with kids getting degrees in engineering I know of. Looks great on paper but they can’t change a light bulb.
I am no academic, but I can tell you that being a hardworking honest individual working blue collar trade jobs will not get you anywhere these days either. It seems like the entire system is trying to push out anyone with any sort of drive or original thoughts.
They are the real ones they know it’s doomed
Everyone who did everything right still got the rug pulled out from under them, while the people who made the most selfish and irresponsible decisions got rewarded.
Now AI’s here and it barely feels like any of it mattered anyway.
We’ve got oligarchs saying we won’t even need doctors, while doctors are drowning in hundreds of thousands in debt.
After a while you realize it’s all meaningless; nepotism will outperform intelligence every time in a system like this.
Disillusioned with the old american dream that was pitched as the key yo happiness when the real key is just to be happy regardless of everything?
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy but rather how networking and charisma will get you further in life than just academics or intelligence alone.
Trust me, as someone who is an introvert and I hate brown nosing with a passion, I wish this wasn’t true. But unfortunately it is. I have seen TOO many situations where people who are incompetent still manage to climb the ladder because they knew how to suck up to the right people. So as a result, they get promoted over those who deserve it more but didn’t play the game properly. It’s just how it is. The world values emotional intelligence and someone’s ability to be likable/charismatic over their competencies.
On the other hand though, there is something truly messed up with how influencers, who don’t really benefit society, are making way more money than people who actually keep our society functioning. We are failing as a society. Especially when I am hearing of more kids saying they want to be an influencer. Like oh boy…
Social skills seem to be the most important
Bosses do not hire someone who is smarter then they are. Bosses are insecure and never want their anything challenged.
Bosses want someone just competent enough to make them money but not competent enough to possibly take their job.
Part of what i see here is that people went to school for a very specific, potentially high-pay job and found out there was little need for the position they studied for and then found themselves lost. The „mid“ people likely took general couses and went where there was need and were able to climb a corporate ladder.
Myself, while i was a smart kid, but i hated school and chose to have fun and get in trouble. I also couldn’t afford to go to college/university, so i got into the trades, worked hard and smart. I started making decent money for my age without getting buried with student debt. I’m by no means rich, but i live comfortably, don’t waste my money on nonsense, and i live within my means.
Things are tougher for people now, but giving up gets you nowhere.
Remember, this world is run by Lucifer.
Book smarts don’t translate to street uhhh… Education
Because to be successful in a mediocre world you have to be accepting of mediocrity, and that means people with too much intelligence skin themselves simply by understanding exactly how evil and screwed up it is. Meanwhile Dave gets nothing, but is nice to everyone, delusionally optimistic, and likes football. Dave goes to the game with the owner, and you whisper in agitated tones about how palantir will regulate our movement in the future. It doesn’t matter if you’re right, ignorance is bliss, and the world runs on the copious that people accuse each other of. Ignorance is a fuel source that corporations burn to generate compliance and effort when there shouldn’t be any. When you see how the rats run on the wheel, the only people who can move up afterward and not crack are usually psychopaths. Basically, we don’t need the best and brightest and it’s preferable they don’t cause problems, if they want to help enslave society they can go learn in the ai or robotics realm but they’ll have a rough time achieving greatness through decency
a lot of these types of people(beach bums, RV/van livers, perpetual hikers) are some of the most street and philosophically intelligent people you will have conversations with. they see the rat race for what it is and reject it for a simpler life where they can still be happy at the basic level
Devoted half my life to corporate. Did well. Hated it. Then it hated me. So we’re divorced. I kept the family, corporate got the summer home. I won.
“I don’t want thinkers, I want workers!!”
Why do you think they target you if you unionize?
Why do you think whistleblowers get punished?
Why do you think they shelve technology that helps humanity rather than profits off of it?
Because people with a brain understand that the pursuit of money in a dying world is ultimately pointless. So why keep trying?
26F i am seeing the same thing, can confirm.
I notice this with social morals / social capital too. The worst most immoral people I know, sociopathic, stepping over others, abrasive, manipulative… Have the most friends and biggest network, and GET the relationships, including in dating.
Those that are „old school“ decent human beings with a moral compass have less / no friends and a much harder time professionally. It does not pay to follow the rules / social contract, nobody follows them! So f’d
and as an fyi a lot of these comments are describing exactly what i’m talking about, except they don’t use the right words and are in reverence of these people. ‚Dark-triad‘ psychological traits are rewarded in society
I had a terrible GPA, was a terrible student. I don’t even know who the valedictorian of my class was.
Despite that, I have something like top 5% of incomes in the US, am married to a beautiful woman, have a child, own multiple houses.
I’m in my 30s.
My success is partially luck, but mostly just strong analytical skills and a hard work ethic and a good degree.
The education system doesn’t reward the qualities required to be successful. Being socially intelligent can’t be taught but rather learned from experiences
IMO it’s never been easier to have high quality of life in regards to freedom, and free time, for a childless adult. WFH jobs, bartending, serving etc give a ton of freedom. Instant access to any information in the world. Cheap travel. Easy to scout in advance and find gig work before you move somewhere.
Is it tough to provide for a family in a big house in a decent city on one income? Yeah, that’s tougher. Just the way it is right now.
We are slaves
Midwit syndrome.
Turns out those best at memorizing and parroting textbooks and ideological professors garbage aren’t the most productive or successful in the real world.
Fitting in is a skill and talent. And I certainly don’t trust a Redditors assessment of “mid” or mediocre.
I think intelligent people eventually realize everything is rigged and either choose to work within the system and use that knowledge to their advantage or they completely check out. Everything is inherently unfair. Nepotism and favoritism have always beaten merit for as long as there have been humans and some sort of system of social hierarchy. Really I think college is pretty much a joke unless you go into some sort of STEM career where you learn technical skills that can’t be bullshitted. You need skills that trump nepotism and favoritism. The trades are another good example. Can’t really survive for long being a bullshit nepo hire as a plumber or electrician. You can either do the work or you can’t. All of the other jobs (especially middle management) are going to be full of people’s deadbeat kids and spouses who simply collect a paycheck because of who they know and who they blow. It has always been like that and will continue being like. Humans are inherently selfish.
people with souls suffer and generating loosh, people who are you talking about are mostly backdrop people,,NPCs , they could be inteligent but if you look at them closer you see that they are still the same spiritually as 20 years ago, and it suppose to be that way that they are doing „well“ in life because that creates this reality what it is , I was top student in my country everyone though that I would become „something“ , I’m not having children because it is morally wrong to bring them into this place this prison, I’m living in the middle of the forest in old house made of stones , I didn’t see people I know for months, only going to the valley for supplies once a week and feel that I don’t belong there, I did have a business but didn’t make it because I felt bad to charge people too much ..and mostly people are without morals and bad , every good person I know is basically poor or have other major problems like health or anything family related , and world is falling apart, I miss 80s 90s …time is also moving faster and faster and we are not in the same world like pre 2020
Success, and society in general, is no longer merit-based, and hasn’t been for a while.
I think there’s a certain level, probably senior director or VP level, where you will never get there unless you’re a member of the club.
Could be those people get tired of the bullshit easier, I’ve seen a quote saying high IQ people are more likely to have depression/anxiety. Maybe that’s because they have an easier time seeing past the bullshit and can put the pieces together and understand the manipulation. It all becomes too much and you just check out.
I could also see secret programs that identify high IQ people early and encourage them to go with the flow and work for them and if they see they reject their world they target them with some kind of Psyop.
Because the system isn’t a true meritocracy; being smart doesn’t mean you will automatically succeed; the system doesn’t rely purely on intelligence for success – there are a lot more things involved. Sales. Networking. Personality. Psychology. Nepotism.
Once a gifted kid now unemployed and working on an esoteric passion project no one seems to care about. How did you know!
Maybe we’re smart enough to know we want to live in a world where everyone thrives by chasing their passions, rather than participate in this crazy mess, so we’re just calmly waiting for all this shit to self-destruct as we prepare ourselves for the new world.
There is academic intelligence and emotional intelligence. The latter is correlated to how successful you can be in life.
There is definitely this paradigm shift where society is geared to having to be a degenerate to make any sort of meaningful wealth.