SS: NO AGREEMENT IN PAKISTAN: Vice President JD Vance said the U.S. leaves Islamabad, where a delegation was meeting for face-to-face negotiations with Iran, without an agreement. The sides held talks for 21 hours, he said.
FancyEmployee8672 on
is this really that complicated?
Abdulkarim0 on
Back to pounding theran then i guess
planj07 on
The fact that they are leaving Pakistan after one day is not good at all. Hormuz has to reopen or we face global economic ruin.
That means an attempt at overwhelming force or status quo and Iran retains their stranglehold on the strait.
Kagrenac8 on
They could have thrown their proposals on the table, spent 5 minutes going through them, laugh, and part. Would’ve spared them 20 hours and 55 minutes of glaringly predictable negotiations with the same outcome.
Their positions and subsequent demands are simply too far apart, given that whoever blinks first will fail to save face domestically and in the international sphere.
Elegant-Fisherman555 on
I mean they’re quite diametrically opposed in what they want.
America wants Iran to not enriched uranium. Iran wants to enrich uranium.
Im wondering if this is the off ramp for Trump, quietly just accept the status quo and let others fix it. I will say he has no real follow through on whatever he starts. But he doesn’t like to look weak or appear as a loser so all it would take is someone running adverts on fox news in DC calling him that and we are back to attacks.
j_skrilla on
COLOR ME SHOCKED!
whisperwind12 on
Basically, the main thing the US aimed for was preventing the construction of nuclear weapons or the enrichment of uranium, so in other words exactly what was happening under the JCPOA until trump ripped it up in 2018. But now Iran has all the cards and the continuing blockade of strait of Hormuz is about to become a world wide crisis in the next few weeks and months.
LouQuacious on
Well yea it’s a complicated deal to make these things take weeks and months. 21hrs is day one of probably 100 or more such days .
HeroOfVimar on
Iran is in way too strong of a position right now for the United States to be able to come to a deal with them and also be able to plausibly claim victory.
I don’t see how either side had hope these talks would result in anything.
ian_coke77 on
I don’t think anyone ever thought this was gonna follow through, it was always an off ramp to the genocidal threats but to keep the war going.
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SS: NO AGREEMENT IN PAKISTAN: Vice President JD Vance said the U.S. leaves Islamabad, where a delegation was meeting for face-to-face negotiations with Iran, without an agreement. The sides held talks for 21 hours, he said.
is this really that complicated?
Back to pounding theran then i guess
The fact that they are leaving Pakistan after one day is not good at all. Hormuz has to reopen or we face global economic ruin.
That means an attempt at overwhelming force or status quo and Iran retains their stranglehold on the strait.
They could have thrown their proposals on the table, spent 5 minutes going through them, laugh, and part. Would’ve spared them 20 hours and 55 minutes of glaringly predictable negotiations with the same outcome.
Their positions and subsequent demands are simply too far apart, given that whoever blinks first will fail to save face domestically and in the international sphere.
I mean they’re quite diametrically opposed in what they want.
America wants Iran to not enriched uranium. Iran wants to enrich uranium.
Im wondering if this is the off ramp for Trump, quietly just accept the status quo and let others fix it. I will say he has no real follow through on whatever he starts. But he doesn’t like to look weak or appear as a loser so all it would take is someone running adverts on fox news in DC calling him that and we are back to attacks.
COLOR ME SHOCKED!
Basically, the main thing the US aimed for was preventing the construction of nuclear weapons or the enrichment of uranium, so in other words exactly what was happening under the JCPOA until trump ripped it up in 2018. But now Iran has all the cards and the continuing blockade of strait of Hormuz is about to become a world wide crisis in the next few weeks and months.
Well yea it’s a complicated deal to make these things take weeks and months. 21hrs is day one of probably 100 or more such days .
Iran is in way too strong of a position right now for the United States to be able to come to a deal with them and also be able to plausibly claim victory.
I don’t see how either side had hope these talks would result in anything.
I don’t think anyone ever thought this was gonna follow through, it was always an off ramp to the genocidal threats but to keep the war going.