Both Chuck Schumer and Hakeem jeffries are unfit to lead the party. They need to pave way for the younger leadership.
Brokkyn2024 on
LMAO… „reluctant“… most of the leadership was around when they impeached him twice before. And guess what happened… Republicans wouldn’t convict him and he was elected back into office.
Let’s talk again if we give them enough power to actually make it stick.
dominiond66 on
I would spend more time building the foundation of the Democratic Party like endorsing Universal Healthcare. Approval ratings for Democrats are low; even lower than Republicans!
The public is demanding a party that addresses their deep concerns not just standard combative politics. Yes, Trump should be impeached and arrested for gross corruption, but working-class families are struggling and looking for a party totally dedicated to their needs. That must be the Democratic Party. Time to define and promote the party and their policy priorities like UHC, raising the minimum wage, regulations to contain AI … etc.
AdCorrect819 on
When both the Senate and House are controlled by Republicans, how do you expect an impeachment to proceed? Come back when Democrats retake the house.
MiddleAgedSponger on
The Democrats could do something really funny.
Remember when Reagan worked with the Iranians about the hostages.? The Democrats need to back channel with the Iranians and have them make releasing the unreacted Epstein files part of the cease fire agreement. Iran should just do that on their own.
Null_Ref_Error on
Democrats once again being treated like the only ones with agency. You realize they have no power to do this right? Republicans could have had him out months ago.
NewMidwest on
Yeah, we should put Republicans in charge of Congress, then we’d see action against Trump!!!
iKangaeru on
Right. Let’s blame Dems and ignore the fact that impeaching Trump and removing him from office requires a majority of Republican votes in the House and 60 votes in the Senate – meaning all 47 Dems and 13 MAGAs. It won’t happen until those cowards grow spines.
AiMwithoutBoT on
No wonder Democrats are constantly losing. They are stuck so much in their old ways that they won’t make space for the future. If democrats ever want to get back into power they need to replace the old.
AvEptoPlerIe on
It’s not going to get him removed.
“Well it forces republicans to go on record supp-“
THEYRE ON RECORD. Every day. Every interview. Every vote. PLEASE stop pretending this matters. This is not a game of strongly worded letters and virtue signaling.
The right solution is the one that has actual, tangible results. I loathe Schumer and Jeffries, but y’all need to understand that each meaningless impeachment just makes the process look less real to the public and makes Trump look more untouchable.
Do this when there is an ACTUAL SHOT of removal.
Patsanon1212 on
Their concerns are about getting pigeonholed in the futility of impeachment, and that taking the oxygen away from other areas where the spotlight is bad for Trump. Likely, they are also concerned about an impeachment giving Trump somewhat of a lifeline as he always does well when his claims of persecution have a little more „weight“ to them. Anyone here want to actually have a think about these reasons or are we just gonna do the same circlejerk about the Bailieys and AIPAC Shakur?
GogetaSama420 on
“If you come for the king, you better not miss”
Edit: a misfire in impeachment (which is guaranteed now because we don’t control either chamber of congress) could make things worse. If you want to impeach this fascist, you gotta make sure to vote blue in the midterms and encourage as many people as you can to do so. There’s no other road to impeach .
CanaDoug420 on
Weird because they voted to impeach him twice already and nothing happened. It’s almost like they aren’t the ones blocking it and its the 100% of the GOP voting against it that is stopping it.
SurroundTiny on
Impeach away. It will never make it to the House floor for a vote
gdex86 on
Impeachment is a useless political theater move. There is no way it gets past the senate so it does nothing. Id rather they be focused on stuff like the war ppwer resolution which has the possibility of getting enough detectors in the senate to actually do something.
SapCPark on
Democrats don’t have the votes. Impeaching here makes no sense
Built-in-Light on
They don’t want to energize his base. Nothing fucks the midterms for republicans more than having this clown playing offense all day.
Ornery-Ticket834 on
If they want to impeach Trump get some Republican co-sponsors. If you can’t get any then you know exactly where it’s headed.
airbear13 on
I mean he obviously needs to be impeached again, but we don’t want to wast political capital on another futile attempt – it needs to succeed this time. For that, timing is everything because we need to make sure the votes are there. If the votes aren’t there before midterms (likely), then Dems need to make sure that the midterms are free and fair; they’re likely to win big and can pursue impeachment for real afterward.
JD11215 on
I want him impeached and no I am not a big fan of the Dems leadership lately, but c’mon they don’t have the votes to succeed. This would be spun negatively for Democrats.
TheLostRanger0117 on
Considering how much of a terrorist organization MAGA and their dumb fuck leadership is, what with their tendencies to threaten, attack, or scare those whom deny the greatness of Dear Leader, I can kinda sorta understand hesitance on their part, only because the President, THE PRESIDENT, is such a loose cannon these days, and if they try, and FAIL to oust him, he’s most likely to make their lives Hell. I’m talking family members safety, property damage, constant harassment. How likely do you think it would be for Dump to post on Truth in a “not roundabout at all” way for a call to arms to “real” MAGA to do something about those whom attempted impeachment. The guy is a fucking psychopath, unhinged, with more power than he deserves, and a cowardly following itching to “make liberals cry” but only if daddy says so
SpaceDudeTaco on
Comments here remind me no one understands how the system actually works.
Inevitable-Toe-6272 on
The article is a bit manipulative. It’s written like the democrats are on charge, and they have the majority in the house.
VanceKelley on
Unless 20 GOP Senators have indicated they are willing to convict trump another impeachment will not remove him from office.
I have not hear a single GOP Senator indicate they would convict him.
prosfromdover on
Until the midterms all they can do is find creative ways to spotlight the his bullshit. Laying out the case for the 25th amendment seems the smart way. List the evidence.
IvanDrake on
Dems don’t have the votes, so the point is moot
BigMax on
I hate Trump with a passion. I also understand reluctance to impeach.
What would the point be? He will not be removed from office. There is a 0% chance of it, right?
So what do we get? Hearings, a news cycle focusing this for ages, and then a HUGE risk of two things:
1) Appearance that democrats are wasting time and money on a massive procedure that will have no functional or practical result.
2) The ability for Trump to stand up and pretend he’s been vindicated because he was ‚innocent‘ in the Senate, and point to another ‚witch hunt‘ that went nowhere.
The risk/reward here just doesn’t make sense to me. We hate Trump, and want to stop him, hurt him, etc, but… this would accomplish none of that.
Snoo_23283 on
An impeachment attempt right now will fail, guaranteed. It probably wouldn’t even be voted on. An impeachment attempt after a big midterms win might succeed. Devoting political capital to a failed impeachment might result in a smaller midterm win, making an actually successful impeachment less likely. But whatever, Dems bad.
Chemical-Ebb6472 on
They can call now but what is their impeachment cry supposed to accomplish longer term?
Even if they convince some across the House isle to impeach Trump (again), we all know the Republicans will never convict him with a two thirds senate majority (unless they secretly agreed to that now).
So, if they do call for impeachment, without a pre-approved conviction and removal commitment from the Republicans, Trump gets to rile up his presently somewhat disillusioned base (once again) with a persecution complex, shifting their focus from Epstein, Iran, gas prices, etc. and the Dems lose valuable voter focus on all the fucked up things Trump is causing to happen to them in real time, months before an extremely important midterm vote.
JDRasta57 on
Bro im tired of these two, tired of all this click bait „impeachment“ talk. When we all know that is not happening, at least not until next year, if democrats flip something.
Lets_Eat_Superglue on
He’s not going to be removed, Republicans won’t do it.
Impeaching him allows Republicans to divert the attention from Trump fucking the country, and energizes his base which is about to sit out the midterms.
The more seats Democrats win in the midterms the less damage he will be able to do over the following two years, and if we can get a big enough victory in the Senate puts impeachment and removal from office on the table.
Can we please, for the love of God, stop falling for the same both sides are bad bullshit being pumped through the internet again. One side isn’t exactly what you want. The other side is tearing down the entire world.
devilmaskrascal on
I have plenty of criticisms of Schumer and Jeffries, but leadership has to consider the political implications. There is no way 2/3rd of the Senate will go along with conviction, so it’s going to be more symbolic than meaningful. I want Trump impeached, gone from office and exiled or jailed, but will it help or hurt our ability to win in November to have a symbolic impeachment knowing there’s no chance of conviction?
yeahitsx on
I’m actually kind of with them on this; is this the best use of political capital?
Does he need to be impeached? YES! Not just impeached, but more importantly, REMOVED. If he isn’t removed, then what’s the point? This isn’t some decent into nihilism, but a serious question since we’ve been here before. Impeach > No conviction > Republicans preach that Democrats just have it out for the guy > Trump twists it, and turns it more into a them v. us scenario > He gains more steam > He gains more power > We’re fucked harder.
UNLESS they can get 2/3 of the Senate, I think it’s wise to look into other avenues because it will just drag the country through weeks of semantics and bullshit, rational citizens will lose further faith in the rule of law, the opposition will be further emboldened, etc. At that point, its almost wiser to focus on bread and butter politics.
I hate that we’re here, but this is what history has shown us. If anything, they should be putting belt to ass right now and raising awareness; have ads blasting in areas where *rump/republicans won with large margins and create a pressure campaign. Everyone in America making less than $100,000 is suffering right now, and they should be letting their senators and representatives hear it. Make it to where it would be political suicide to NOT vote for removal, and do it before the midterms, that way you have a fail safe if you do go for it:
„[Insert No vote Name Here] doesn’t care that your bills are going up. [Name] doesn’t think you should be able to put food on your table. [Name] believes pointless wars are more important than what you, THE PEOPLE, pay them to do. This November, make sure [Name] knows who’s really in charge…“ it quite literally rights itself.
If they’re not willing to do this, then don’t do it at all. But I’m just a plebe, so what do I know.
WilyWondr on
Calls to impeach trump collide with reality.
The minority party can’t do much and they certainly can’t impeach anyone
amkosh on
If you want Trump impeached then work to get 67 democrat senators who will vote to convict. If we can’t then it’s useless to try. And if we had that I’d argue it’s better to use the session time to undo Trump’s crap rather then get Vance as POTUS
Groftsan on
I actually agree with them. Nothing happens when the Dems are considered partisan. But, they would, to a person, support any impeachment action that was initiated by a Republican. That’s what needs to happen. It can’t come from the dems or Trump will be able to use anti-dem sentiment to weasel out of it again.
nimalcrackers on
(*They are correct that impeachment with the current House and Senate makeup is a pointless and performative exercise that wont do anything but sap energy that’s better spent elsewhere, but nobody wants to be caught dead siding with Dem leadership so we have to pretend to be angry…*)
PluotFinnegan_IV on
Hot, unpopular, take, but impeachment is a waste of time until Republicans are also on board. Otherwise it just gives fresh ammo to Trump and his loonies to point at Democrats and reframe things to a more favorable place.
Trump is hurting himself way more than impeachment could with Iran and the Epstein Files. The old adage „Never interrupt your opponent while they are making a mistake“ is spot on here. And again, impeachment is useless w/o some Republican support.
Cactusfan86 on
Who gives a shit? Until democrats take the house it’s meaningless. Even if they take the house without the senate it’s performative. I’m more concerned about removing these two clowns for their sins far graver than a doomed impeachment crusade
TJaySteno1 on
What do you want them to do? Can they even call a vote on impeachment when they don’t control the House? Even if they can, it would fail again in the Senate. Why are we insisting on empty performative gestures?
EnvironmentalBug5525 on
Can we start by impeaching Jeffries and Schumer FIRST?
serialsteve on
The democratic leadership our just for sale to highest bidders. Currently that is likely isreal. How it is legal we allow foreign influences to donate to our elections is everything against what this country was founded on.
ThisIsGr8ThisIsGr8 on
Cool. Vote them out
Whornz4 on
There is a headline that is not representing what is really happening. They don’t have the votes to bring impeachment. Republicans would have to join at this moment to even make an attempt. Most importantanyly, Mike Johnson, or whomever is speaker of the house, is the person who can bring articles of impeachment against Trump.
Stop being dumbasses and buying into crazy headlines that divide people.
fapsandnaps on
Impeaching him now will not remove him from office.
Even if he were removed from office, it gives the GOP 6 months to erase voters memories before the midterms.
Let the GOP get slaughtered in the midterms so Dems have a better shot at taking both chambers of Congress.
DoomedKiblets on
these two are complicit at this point, and just as guilty as republicans
Prestigious-Ad-3395 on
**Schumer** is gripping onto a decrepit plank of shipwrecked wood, floating out in an ocean of disappointment and **anti-charisma**.
O_o
Get him tfo of there!
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Those two need to be out of leadership as well.
Both Chuck Schumer and Hakeem jeffries are unfit to lead the party. They need to pave way for the younger leadership.
LMAO… „reluctant“… most of the leadership was around when they impeached him twice before. And guess what happened… Republicans wouldn’t convict him and he was elected back into office.
Let’s talk again if we give them enough power to actually make it stick.
I would spend more time building the foundation of the Democratic Party like endorsing Universal Healthcare. Approval ratings for Democrats are low; even lower than Republicans!
The public is demanding a party that addresses their deep concerns not just standard combative politics. Yes, Trump should be impeached and arrested for gross corruption, but working-class families are struggling and looking for a party totally dedicated to their needs. That must be the Democratic Party. Time to define and promote the party and their policy priorities like UHC, raising the minimum wage, regulations to contain AI … etc.
When both the Senate and House are controlled by Republicans, how do you expect an impeachment to proceed? Come back when Democrats retake the house.
The Democrats could do something really funny.
Remember when Reagan worked with the Iranians about the hostages.? The Democrats need to back channel with the Iranians and have them make releasing the unreacted Epstein files part of the cease fire agreement. Iran should just do that on their own.
Democrats once again being treated like the only ones with agency. You realize they have no power to do this right? Republicans could have had him out months ago.
Yeah, we should put Republicans in charge of Congress, then we’d see action against Trump!!!
Right. Let’s blame Dems and ignore the fact that impeaching Trump and removing him from office requires a majority of Republican votes in the House and 60 votes in the Senate – meaning all 47 Dems and 13 MAGAs. It won’t happen until those cowards grow spines.
No wonder Democrats are constantly losing. They are stuck so much in their old ways that they won’t make space for the future. If democrats ever want to get back into power they need to replace the old.
It’s not going to get him removed.
“Well it forces republicans to go on record supp-“
THEYRE ON RECORD. Every day. Every interview. Every vote. PLEASE stop pretending this matters. This is not a game of strongly worded letters and virtue signaling.
The right solution is the one that has actual, tangible results. I loathe Schumer and Jeffries, but y’all need to understand that each meaningless impeachment just makes the process look less real to the public and makes Trump look more untouchable.
Do this when there is an ACTUAL SHOT of removal.
Their concerns are about getting pigeonholed in the futility of impeachment, and that taking the oxygen away from other areas where the spotlight is bad for Trump. Likely, they are also concerned about an impeachment giving Trump somewhat of a lifeline as he always does well when his claims of persecution have a little more „weight“ to them. Anyone here want to actually have a think about these reasons or are we just gonna do the same circlejerk about the Bailieys and AIPAC Shakur?
“If you come for the king, you better not miss”
Edit: a misfire in impeachment (which is guaranteed now because we don’t control either chamber of congress) could make things worse. If you want to impeach this fascist, you gotta make sure to vote blue in the midterms and encourage as many people as you can to do so. There’s no other road to impeach .
Weird because they voted to impeach him twice already and nothing happened. It’s almost like they aren’t the ones blocking it and its the 100% of the GOP voting against it that is stopping it.
Impeach away. It will never make it to the House floor for a vote
Impeachment is a useless political theater move. There is no way it gets past the senate so it does nothing. Id rather they be focused on stuff like the war ppwer resolution which has the possibility of getting enough detectors in the senate to actually do something.
Democrats don’t have the votes. Impeaching here makes no sense
They don’t want to energize his base. Nothing fucks the midterms for republicans more than having this clown playing offense all day.
If they want to impeach Trump get some Republican co-sponsors. If you can’t get any then you know exactly where it’s headed.
I mean he obviously needs to be impeached again, but we don’t want to wast political capital on another futile attempt – it needs to succeed this time. For that, timing is everything because we need to make sure the votes are there. If the votes aren’t there before midterms (likely), then Dems need to make sure that the midterms are free and fair; they’re likely to win big and can pursue impeachment for real afterward.
I want him impeached and no I am not a big fan of the Dems leadership lately, but c’mon they don’t have the votes to succeed. This would be spun negatively for Democrats.
Considering how much of a terrorist organization MAGA and their dumb fuck leadership is, what with their tendencies to threaten, attack, or scare those whom deny the greatness of Dear Leader, I can kinda sorta understand hesitance on their part, only because the President, THE PRESIDENT, is such a loose cannon these days, and if they try, and FAIL to oust him, he’s most likely to make their lives Hell. I’m talking family members safety, property damage, constant harassment. How likely do you think it would be for Dump to post on Truth in a “not roundabout at all” way for a call to arms to “real” MAGA to do something about those whom attempted impeachment. The guy is a fucking psychopath, unhinged, with more power than he deserves, and a cowardly following itching to “make liberals cry” but only if daddy says so
Comments here remind me no one understands how the system actually works.
The article is a bit manipulative. It’s written like the democrats are on charge, and they have the majority in the house.
Unless 20 GOP Senators have indicated they are willing to convict trump another impeachment will not remove him from office.
I have not hear a single GOP Senator indicate they would convict him.
Until the midterms all they can do is find creative ways to spotlight the his bullshit. Laying out the case for the 25th amendment seems the smart way. List the evidence.
Dems don’t have the votes, so the point is moot
I hate Trump with a passion. I also understand reluctance to impeach.
What would the point be? He will not be removed from office. There is a 0% chance of it, right?
So what do we get? Hearings, a news cycle focusing this for ages, and then a HUGE risk of two things:
1) Appearance that democrats are wasting time and money on a massive procedure that will have no functional or practical result.
2) The ability for Trump to stand up and pretend he’s been vindicated because he was ‚innocent‘ in the Senate, and point to another ‚witch hunt‘ that went nowhere.
The risk/reward here just doesn’t make sense to me. We hate Trump, and want to stop him, hurt him, etc, but… this would accomplish none of that.
An impeachment attempt right now will fail, guaranteed. It probably wouldn’t even be voted on. An impeachment attempt after a big midterms win might succeed. Devoting political capital to a failed impeachment might result in a smaller midterm win, making an actually successful impeachment less likely. But whatever, Dems bad.
They can call now but what is their impeachment cry supposed to accomplish longer term?
Even if they convince some across the House isle to impeach Trump (again), we all know the Republicans will never convict him with a two thirds senate majority (unless they secretly agreed to that now).
So, if they do call for impeachment, without a pre-approved conviction and removal commitment from the Republicans, Trump gets to rile up his presently somewhat disillusioned base (once again) with a persecution complex, shifting their focus from Epstein, Iran, gas prices, etc. and the Dems lose valuable voter focus on all the fucked up things Trump is causing to happen to them in real time, months before an extremely important midterm vote.
Bro im tired of these two, tired of all this click bait „impeachment“ talk. When we all know that is not happening, at least not until next year, if democrats flip something.
He’s not going to be removed, Republicans won’t do it.
Impeaching him allows Republicans to divert the attention from Trump fucking the country, and energizes his base which is about to sit out the midterms.
The more seats Democrats win in the midterms the less damage he will be able to do over the following two years, and if we can get a big enough victory in the Senate puts impeachment and removal from office on the table.
Can we please, for the love of God, stop falling for the same both sides are bad bullshit being pumped through the internet again. One side isn’t exactly what you want. The other side is tearing down the entire world.
I have plenty of criticisms of Schumer and Jeffries, but leadership has to consider the political implications. There is no way 2/3rd of the Senate will go along with conviction, so it’s going to be more symbolic than meaningful. I want Trump impeached, gone from office and exiled or jailed, but will it help or hurt our ability to win in November to have a symbolic impeachment knowing there’s no chance of conviction?
I’m actually kind of with them on this; is this the best use of political capital?
Does he need to be impeached? YES! Not just impeached, but more importantly, REMOVED. If he isn’t removed, then what’s the point? This isn’t some decent into nihilism, but a serious question since we’ve been here before. Impeach > No conviction > Republicans preach that Democrats just have it out for the guy > Trump twists it, and turns it more into a them v. us scenario > He gains more steam > He gains more power > We’re fucked harder.
UNLESS they can get 2/3 of the Senate, I think it’s wise to look into other avenues because it will just drag the country through weeks of semantics and bullshit, rational citizens will lose further faith in the rule of law, the opposition will be further emboldened, etc. At that point, its almost wiser to focus on bread and butter politics.
I hate that we’re here, but this is what history has shown us. If anything, they should be putting belt to ass right now and raising awareness; have ads blasting in areas where *rump/republicans won with large margins and create a pressure campaign. Everyone in America making less than $100,000 is suffering right now, and they should be letting their senators and representatives hear it. Make it to where it would be political suicide to NOT vote for removal, and do it before the midterms, that way you have a fail safe if you do go for it:
„[Insert No vote Name Here] doesn’t care that your bills are going up. [Name] doesn’t think you should be able to put food on your table. [Name] believes pointless wars are more important than what you, THE PEOPLE, pay them to do. This November, make sure [Name] knows who’s really in charge…“ it quite literally rights itself.
If they’re not willing to do this, then don’t do it at all. But I’m just a plebe, so what do I know.
Calls to impeach trump collide with reality.
The minority party can’t do much and they certainly can’t impeach anyone
If you want Trump impeached then work to get 67 democrat senators who will vote to convict. If we can’t then it’s useless to try. And if we had that I’d argue it’s better to use the session time to undo Trump’s crap rather then get Vance as POTUS
I actually agree with them. Nothing happens when the Dems are considered partisan. But, they would, to a person, support any impeachment action that was initiated by a Republican. That’s what needs to happen. It can’t come from the dems or Trump will be able to use anti-dem sentiment to weasel out of it again.
(*They are correct that impeachment with the current House and Senate makeup is a pointless and performative exercise that wont do anything but sap energy that’s better spent elsewhere, but nobody wants to be caught dead siding with Dem leadership so we have to pretend to be angry…*)
Hot, unpopular, take, but impeachment is a waste of time until Republicans are also on board. Otherwise it just gives fresh ammo to Trump and his loonies to point at Democrats and reframe things to a more favorable place.
Trump is hurting himself way more than impeachment could with Iran and the Epstein Files. The old adage „Never interrupt your opponent while they are making a mistake“ is spot on here. And again, impeachment is useless w/o some Republican support.
Who gives a shit? Until democrats take the house it’s meaningless. Even if they take the house without the senate it’s performative. I’m more concerned about removing these two clowns for their sins far graver than a doomed impeachment crusade
What do you want them to do? Can they even call a vote on impeachment when they don’t control the House? Even if they can, it would fail again in the Senate. Why are we insisting on empty performative gestures?
Can we start by impeaching Jeffries and Schumer FIRST?
The democratic leadership our just for sale to highest bidders. Currently that is likely isreal. How it is legal we allow foreign influences to donate to our elections is everything against what this country was founded on.
Cool. Vote them out
There is a headline that is not representing what is really happening. They don’t have the votes to bring impeachment. Republicans would have to join at this moment to even make an attempt. Most importantanyly, Mike Johnson, or whomever is speaker of the house, is the person who can bring articles of impeachment against Trump.
Stop being dumbasses and buying into crazy headlines that divide people.
Impeaching him now will not remove him from office.
Even if he were removed from office, it gives the GOP 6 months to erase voters memories before the midterms.
Let the GOP get slaughtered in the midterms so Dems have a better shot at taking both chambers of Congress.
these two are complicit at this point, and just as guilty as republicans
**Schumer** is gripping onto a decrepit plank of shipwrecked wood, floating out in an ocean of disappointment and **anti-charisma**.
O_o
Get him tfo of there!