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    Leah Gazan von der NDP nennt Kritiker von MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ „Fanatiker“ | CBC-Nachrichten

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    1. ColonelQuaraitch on

      Okay, why are Indigenous people – the MMIWG part (and the 2?) – being added to LGBTQ? Is it because of oppression?

    2. j821c on

      Ive never in my life heard anyone use this term until today when I saw the full acronym on Facebook and honestly thought it was people exaggerating the length to make fun of LGBT people.

      It seems really bizarre to include groups like missing women in this acronym though.

    3. Asluckwouldnthaveit on

      I know it’s hard to have a serious talk about this on reddit…. But…. Can we do something about that monstrous acronym?

      What the heck is that!? Might as well use all the letters of the alphabet now.

      As someone with no real connections to these groups but is supportive (come as you are) I can’t make heads or tails of that thing.

      Help.

    4. Former-Physics-1831 on

      I just don’t know how anybody doesn’t recognize that when an ancronym is that long it becomes absurd.  We can’t just keep daisy-chaining acronyms together until we end up with something 4 lines long, individually recognizing everyone who isn’t a straight, cis, white male.

      The fact that the term is absurd is not bigoted, and I do not understand some people’s devotion to it

    5. chat-lu on

      The crazy thing is that no one can simply smoothly say a 16 characters acronym on the first try. She had to practice.

    6. Emotional-Ad-6494 on

      _”A clip of the Winnipeg Centre MP saying „the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+“”_

      I mean this sincerely, but I really think when there are full out genocides happening right now (to the actual definition) we need to be incredibly careful how we use that term. I don’t say that to take away from injustices that have been experienced but I don’t think it’s appropriate to call this an “on going genocide”

    7. Medea_From_Colchis on

      Another example of why I don’t really trust the NDP to champion social issues. They seem generally incapable of talking about this stuff in a manner people can understand; who will understand her outside of the niche base of progressives she’s trying to appeal to. While the acronym might represent something important, it seriously looks like someone face-rolled on their keyboard. It took me a bit to even realize LGBTQ was in there. There are fair criticisms as to why all of this needs to be added to the 2SLGBTQ+, but I am not surprised Gazan dismissed it all as bigotry because she’s done similar things with commentary on purity tests. She’s not very good at speaking to the public outside of her base.

    8. Drummers_Beat on

      I saw this earlier today and honestly I feel like it’s more disrespectful to add MMIWG to the 2SLGBTQQIA+ acronym.

      These are two very important issues, however, they are two very separate issues that should be properly recognized as such.

      The need to lump them together does a disservice to both issues simultaneously.

    9. TrappedInLimbo on

      First of all I think some are confused, the point wasn’t that missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls are now part of the queer community, it’s the reverse. It’s a clumsy way of including queer people along with the women and girls.

      That being said, as a queer person myself, most people nowadays just say queer. The only time I hear the acronym is from politicians and/or non-queer people. I really wish they would get on board with just saying queer as the ever elongagting acronym sounds silly and is just asking for problems in trying to encompass such a wide umbrella.

      I also think the same thing is happening with the Indigenous movement. First it was just women, then they added girls, then they added two spirit people, now they are adding queer people. It is a very real issue that deserves a spotlight and specific focus, but using these long acronyms is going to look unserious.

      This also doesn’t change that most of the people sharing the clip around were bigots and used it as an excuse to bash queer people as well.

    10. ApprenticeWrangler on

      This is exactly what turns people off the NDP. This kind of absurd identitarian garbage is what makes them seem completely unserious.

    11. Snurgisdr on

      It is unfortunately simultaneously true that there are bigots on one side and the performatively absurd on the other.

    12. epchilasi on

      The misunderstanding of this acronym is breathtaking.

      MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ is not a new community or group of people. It’s a long acronym (and a technical term) meant to save speaking/writing/reading/listening time for a very long and otherwise repetitive (Missing and Murdered)+(Indigenous)+((women)+(girls)+(2SLGBTQQIA+ people)). It just defines Issue + Group + Subgroups of note.

      Why is it used? Because Indigenous 2SLGBTQQIA+ people are also victimized at extremely high rates by the same people, mechanisms, and in the same way as violence against Indigenous women are girls. That’s all.

      The people who use this term work in this topic a lot and use it rather than spelling the repetitive sentence over and over. It’s essentially just jargon.

      But it’s important. Stop falling for the culture war nonsense. This massive acronym is not an issue. This is not new. It’s not „more alphabet people.“ Stop falling for it. We have real problems (like these missing and murdered people!)

    13. MGM-Wonder on

      I consider myself pretty damn progressive and theyre really losing me with this nonsense.

      So unserious and has a negative affect on the community imo.

      You can’t just be a tom boy, you need to have you own gender pronoun now. Why?

    14. NorthNorthSalt on

      The only thing these antics accomplish is making indigenous women and LGBTQ people the butt of a joke. The NDP is a perfect case-study of why good intentions are not enough in politics. Every time they speak on social issues, they are indistinguishable from a parody of themselves, and often hurt the very groups they champion.

      Ironically, if the NDP were to listen to the critics (who say they need to tone the social progressiveness in favour of labour identity politics), it would not only be good for them politically, but for marginalized groups too. This hawkish social zeal has not improved the lives of disadvantaged people nearly enough to counteract the pendulum effect the NDP feeds.

    15. fredovan on

      The acronym is just bad messaging. It took me several reviews to make sure I got it right in this comment.

      If you ask people if we should search landfills for missing indigenous women, everyone will understand the question and the majority of Canadians will say yes.

      If you ask if we should search landfills for MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+. Then people will be confused and point will be lost.

      Wab Kinew probably pretty close to Leah Gazan on a lot of indigenous women issues. But he doesn’t talk like this.

    16. Canadian_mk11 on

      *sigh*

      Leah Gazan needs to be booted from the NDP, because she really, really doesn’t know when to STFU. And I say that as someone who traditionally votes, or a least leans, NDP.

    17. htom3heb on

      We don’t have time for these frivolities in the midst of what is amounting to the greatest existential threat in our lifetimes to our society. Just say victims of sexual violence and marginalized communities instead of identity politicizing it.

    18. Temaharay on

      > „Bigots are bigots,“ Gazan told CBC News in response.
      >
      > „I certainly am really happy that bigots are offended by my positions around equality. What I am concerned about and certainly motivated — continue to be motivated about — is ending systemic racism in this country.“

      Performative anger from bigots to distract from the seriousness of the issue.

      > Gazan calls the pushback a distraction from the continued violence facing Indigenous women and girls, two-spirit and gender diverse people, along with federal funding cuts to programming aimed at prevention.

      I think the NDP should lean into all the hate. Farm the online rage factories for attention to your pet political issues. Honestly if you do not do this, these rage farms will drum up their own stuff **on their own initiative**. Use their predictable reactionary need for hate and outrage to **drive your own agenda**.

      It’s the opposite of „flood the zone“ strategy that corrupt and morally bankrupt politicians (like Trump, Smith, or Ford) do to actively drown out all the individual issues on their horribly poor governance.

      That’s how the online attention economy works (its a hellscape geared for the maximization in psychopathy). The only problem I see with this is that the attention spans are so limited there is a never ending demand for more.

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