good time to start a company to rip that sh!t out or override it. 🧐😉
nuttageyo on
I don’t want that bullshit in my car anyways
Elegant_Creme_9506 on
I’ll commute dragging my balls over asphalt before I buy a car subscription
inirlan on
It’s also why companies try everything in their power to lease instead of selling. It’s literally turning the car „ownership“ itself into a subscription.
jpiro on
I hate driver-assist tech too so, problem solved.
Kimpak on
The problem is there are too many people who do seem to want the subscription because they keep paying it. All it would take for this shit to stop is for enough people to just not pay for the subscription service. Yet here we are.
pippinsfolly on
The best driver-assistance feature is the driver’s eyes. No need to rely on all these functions to „assist“ drivers.
obroz on
They dont give a shit. That’s the history of the auto industry and why they continue to fail.
Expensive_Finger_973 on
I’ll just keep using my phone on a mount and ignoring all of this other junk thanks.
Time-Industry-1364 on
The only subscription I will *ever* put up with in a car is OnStar’s connectivity option. (Not the whole OnStar option that is $50 a month!)
It’s $9 a month and gives me wifi for my camera and iPad dash.
Methodical_Science on
I literally just need a car to have: an engine, brakes, steering, mirrors, battery, seats, transmission, a USB port/cigarette lighter, and a sound system.
Everything else can go to hell if they charge a subscription fee for a car I already spent 5 figures on.
Driving my 2012 CR-V to the ground. 150k miles and not even close to being done.
Marchello_E on
Why do you need to drive around with junk you’ll never use, nor is essential, anyway.
Law should the manufacturers have to physically remove the options (because, idk, to help chip shortage, reduce unnecessary road wear because of weight issues or some other excuse).
When this addition is safety critical yet are forced into subscription, then such safety feature essentially hides behind a paywall. I guess such should already be illegal. Don’t have the money for a subscription (perhaps for reasons outside your control) and your safety is on the chopping board. So I think you can’t legally be forced to pay for such subscription.
Or you no longer can buy cars, and they are basically all rentals.
Ok_Two_2604 on
For any purchase, I figure out what components are subscription and remove them from the feature list. Then I decide how much I’m willing to pay for it, and compare it against competing products, based only on the components that are part of the actual purchase. If the subscription parts are physically incorporated (like subscription heated seats) then I count them against the product, I don’t just ignore them, as that is one more component to fail and the car (or whatever it is) going into error mode bc an unused component broke is not a paid add on.
Though it is of course impossible to make a perfect objective and priced comparison.
Ancient-Bat8274 on
You will own nothing and we don’t care if you’re happy
keepitcivilized on
Never. Buy. A car. WITH SUBSCRIPTIONS. FUCKING EVER! and people who do should be publicly shamed.
Ancient-Bat8274 on
I admit I use Subaru subscriptions only because of the way it handles remote start. I can set the time and settings and gps locate my vehicle (great for if others like kids borrow my car) and other alerts I genuinely find helpful. It’s only a once a year payment too. If it was like for just the seat warmers though I wouldn’t care
troll__away on
Putting driver assistance features, that are known to statistically reduce accidents, behind a subscription is horrific. The equipment costs more, sure, but that’s covered in the higher trim level and base price of the car. Putting stuff like traffic jam assist, adaptive cruise, or lane centering behind a subscription is terrible. The hardware is there, we paid for it. The subscription is nothing but greed.
TacoGuyDave on
Any car manufacturer that might be reading this. I will not do business with a company that does this, and I’m not alone. Read the room
TheUnknownStuntman51 on
At some point, every company just decided to not make better products to ensure profit, that they could just find a way to set up a subscription instead. You’d think the auto industry would be exempt from ‘idiot tax’, but here we are.
Arts251 on
yet people keep borrowing money to buy this shit. If we act stupid they will treat us like we’re stupid.
ora408 on
if anyone needs driver assistance, they shouldn’t be driving on public roads
pleasegivemepatience on
Got an Ioniq 5 recently, not a single subscription-based feature on it. Everything works for life, just buy it and go. Gets great range, and I have no idea who the Hyundai CEO is which is sadly a big component in purchases nowadays… I like the car and the company doesn’t give me reasons to hate it so I’m sold!
turb0_encapsulator on
I would pay a subscription for *true* self-driving like a Waymo, but not for anything else.
AbeFromanEast on
Meanwhile you can buy even better EV’s anywhere but America (because of tariffs) for $15k-25k with no subscriptions.
Tariffs are keeping American automakers alive. And pushing average new car prices past $50k because it’s a captive audience.
happyscrappy on
I don’t see how the current/expected levels of driver assistance tech can be provided without ongoing cost to the car company. So I can’t see how it can be no-cost.
I hate subscriptions, but this might be the kind of thing where there’s no feasible choice other than paying or going without.
Unlike, for example, supporting CarPlay. Where companies can provide it at no cost to them, they just want the monthly revenue (and profit markup) of selling you a dataplan just so your car can show maps to you that you already can just get with your phone plan.
ICLazeru on
I don’t want the driver assistance tech either. Heck, I don’t even want power windows, the motor breaks down and it’s a b*tch to fix. I’ll take a manual window, please.
Bluetooth in my car broke after a month too. Take it out.
Take out all the luxuries and provide a reliable, but budget friendly car, and you’ll sell a million of those things in 7 years.
ronimal on
Jokes on them. I don’t want driver-assistance tech either.
UleeBunny on
I’m hoping my car lasts outlasts this trend.
TheB1G_Lebowski on
Subscriptions are bullshit. Period.
TheB1G_Lebowski on
Just more reasons why I love my 1990 BMW 325i. Keep on rolling shitbox.
Boys4Ever on
Money grab. Simple as that.
Uncle_Hephaestus on
yea they are super pushy about it too. and will definitely lie to try and get you to subscribe to 85 dollars a month per tech feature so ur paying 250-300 a month in ahit that used to be standard
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good time to start a company to rip that sh!t out or override it. 🧐😉
I don’t want that bullshit in my car anyways
I’ll commute dragging my balls over asphalt before I buy a car subscription
It’s also why companies try everything in their power to lease instead of selling. It’s literally turning the car „ownership“ itself into a subscription.
I hate driver-assist tech too so, problem solved.
The problem is there are too many people who do seem to want the subscription because they keep paying it. All it would take for this shit to stop is for enough people to just not pay for the subscription service. Yet here we are.
The best driver-assistance feature is the driver’s eyes. No need to rely on all these functions to „assist“ drivers.
They dont give a shit. That’s the history of the auto industry and why they continue to fail.
I’ll just keep using my phone on a mount and ignoring all of this other junk thanks.
The only subscription I will *ever* put up with in a car is OnStar’s connectivity option. (Not the whole OnStar option that is $50 a month!)
It’s $9 a month and gives me wifi for my camera and iPad dash.
I literally just need a car to have: an engine, brakes, steering, mirrors, battery, seats, transmission, a USB port/cigarette lighter, and a sound system.
Everything else can go to hell if they charge a subscription fee for a car I already spent 5 figures on.
Driving my 2012 CR-V to the ground. 150k miles and not even close to being done.
Why do you need to drive around with junk you’ll never use, nor is essential, anyway.
Law should the manufacturers have to physically remove the options (because, idk, to help chip shortage, reduce unnecessary road wear because of weight issues or some other excuse).
When this addition is safety critical yet are forced into subscription, then such safety feature essentially hides behind a paywall. I guess such should already be illegal. Don’t have the money for a subscription (perhaps for reasons outside your control) and your safety is on the chopping board. So I think you can’t legally be forced to pay for such subscription.
Or you no longer can buy cars, and they are basically all rentals.
For any purchase, I figure out what components are subscription and remove them from the feature list. Then I decide how much I’m willing to pay for it, and compare it against competing products, based only on the components that are part of the actual purchase. If the subscription parts are physically incorporated (like subscription heated seats) then I count them against the product, I don’t just ignore them, as that is one more component to fail and the car (or whatever it is) going into error mode bc an unused component broke is not a paid add on.
Though it is of course impossible to make a perfect objective and priced comparison.
You will own nothing and we don’t care if you’re happy
Never. Buy. A car. WITH SUBSCRIPTIONS. FUCKING EVER! and people who do should be publicly shamed.
I admit I use Subaru subscriptions only because of the way it handles remote start. I can set the time and settings and gps locate my vehicle (great for if others like kids borrow my car) and other alerts I genuinely find helpful. It’s only a once a year payment too. If it was like for just the seat warmers though I wouldn’t care
Putting driver assistance features, that are known to statistically reduce accidents, behind a subscription is horrific. The equipment costs more, sure, but that’s covered in the higher trim level and base price of the car. Putting stuff like traffic jam assist, adaptive cruise, or lane centering behind a subscription is terrible. The hardware is there, we paid for it. The subscription is nothing but greed.
Any car manufacturer that might be reading this. I will not do business with a company that does this, and I’m not alone. Read the room
At some point, every company just decided to not make better products to ensure profit, that they could just find a way to set up a subscription instead. You’d think the auto industry would be exempt from ‘idiot tax’, but here we are.
yet people keep borrowing money to buy this shit. If we act stupid they will treat us like we’re stupid.
if anyone needs driver assistance, they shouldn’t be driving on public roads
Got an Ioniq 5 recently, not a single subscription-based feature on it. Everything works for life, just buy it and go. Gets great range, and I have no idea who the Hyundai CEO is which is sadly a big component in purchases nowadays… I like the car and the company doesn’t give me reasons to hate it so I’m sold!
I would pay a subscription for *true* self-driving like a Waymo, but not for anything else.
Meanwhile you can buy even better EV’s anywhere but America (because of tariffs) for $15k-25k with no subscriptions.
Tariffs are keeping American automakers alive. And pushing average new car prices past $50k because it’s a captive audience.
I don’t see how the current/expected levels of driver assistance tech can be provided without ongoing cost to the car company. So I can’t see how it can be no-cost.
I hate subscriptions, but this might be the kind of thing where there’s no feasible choice other than paying or going without.
Unlike, for example, supporting CarPlay. Where companies can provide it at no cost to them, they just want the monthly revenue (and profit markup) of selling you a dataplan just so your car can show maps to you that you already can just get with your phone plan.
I don’t want the driver assistance tech either. Heck, I don’t even want power windows, the motor breaks down and it’s a b*tch to fix. I’ll take a manual window, please.
Bluetooth in my car broke after a month too. Take it out.
Take out all the luxuries and provide a reliable, but budget friendly car, and you’ll sell a million of those things in 7 years.
Jokes on them. I don’t want driver-assistance tech either.
I’m hoping my car lasts outlasts this trend.
Subscriptions are bullshit. Period.
Just more reasons why I love my 1990 BMW 325i. Keep on rolling shitbox.
Money grab. Simple as that.
yea they are super pushy about it too. and will definitely lie to try and get you to subscribe to 85 dollars a month per tech feature so ur paying 250-300 a month in ahit that used to be standard