Europa denkt über die Aussicht auf eine NATO ohne die USA nach

    https://www.dw.com/en/europe-mulls-the-prospect-of-a-nato-without-the-us/a-76682522

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    1. Any-Original-6113 on

      As the US president escalates threats to destroy Iran, will NATO be collateral damage? A former American ambassador says the alliance is „not dead“ but „deeply damaged“ by trans-Atlantic divisions.

      NATO is broken,“ said Ivo Daalder, not mincing his words. The former US ambassador to the trans-Atlantic alliance believes tensions between Donald Trump and European allies over the Iran war have thrust NATO, which turned 77 years old this month, into the „worst crisis“ in its history.

      But alarm bells have been ringing for some time now. Already a year ago, Daalder published an article outlining how European member states might reconstruct NATO to function without the US, around whose leadership the organization was built.

      How did we get here?
      Daalder, a senior fellow at Harvard’s Belfer Center, told DW that several factors have brought NATO to this low point. It’s not just the insults Trump flings at the alliance and its European members, to which they’ve become quite accustomed. Trump repeated his view on Monday that NATO is a „paper tiger“ that won’t support the US in its war against Iran.

      Nor, the former ambassador said, is it even Trump’s repeated threats to withdraw from NATO, which is accompanied by the more practical concern that he would be unwilling to participate in collective defense if another ally were attacked, the guarantee pledged by NATO’s Article 5.

      Daalder said it is the combination of Trump’s vitriol along with the fact that many European governments have now gone beyond just refusing to help fight Washington’s war on Iran, with instances of  denying Trump the right to use bases or refusing to grant airspace rights for offensive action. 

      The European action is a reflection of the fact that NATO is deeply damaged,“ he added, „and it reinforces the fundamental reality that Europe no longer trusts the United States, believes the United States is an unreliable ally, and therefore is no longer willing to participate in these kind of operations. That is why this is the worst crisis of NATO.“

      NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte has supported the US-Israeli action and played down the rift. „In the alliance, you will always have different views,“ he said on March 26. „But when it comes to not accepting Iran having a nuclear and missile capability, we all agree … What the United States is doing now is degrading that capability. And yes, I applaud that.“ 

      Can Trump just leave?
      Trump himself often publicly muses on an exit, saying recently that the prospect is „beyond reconsideration.“ But no one knows for sure whether he’ll one day attempt to withdraw from the alliance.

      What is known is that it wouldn’t be easy, thanks in part to his now secretary of state, Marco Rubio, who as a senator introduced legislation passed in 2023 that requires support from two-thirds of the Senate to leave.

      Three years later, Trump insists he’d be able to do it anyway — and Daalder agrees with him, saying the constitutional challenge this could spark would likely favor the power of a president. Meanwhile, Rubio appears to have transitioned into a NATO skeptic.

      From NATO’s side, there is an article in the 1949 Washington Treaty outlining the process for quitting, but it’s never before been used. Article 13 states that: „After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.“

      Of course, there are plenty of ways Trump could kneecap NATO without leaving and without obtaining congressional approval. He could simply decide to bring troops home, cease supplying NATO commands and institutions with personnel — some of which is already happening — and even, to be very dramatic, decide not to staff the position of Supreme Allied Commander Europe, a military post that always goes to an American.

      How would NATO react?

      NATO would be hard-pressed to project credible power without the US, which has the largest and most advanced arsenal of weapons and the obvious advantage of a comparatively massive military force. But experts say the alliance wouldn’t necessarily collapse. It could continue a transition that’s already underway toward more European leadership and further reliance on European capabilities.

      The International Institute for Security Studies (IISS) has researched what this could look like, urging „European decision-makers to consider the military, financial and defence industrial investments needed to reduce dependencies on the US and, in extremis, to prepare for a NATO without any US role.“

      The picture isn’t rosy. Undertaken almost a year ago, the IISS assessment found that there would be serious shortfalls not just in replacing „major US military platforms and manpower “ but also in space and in intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets. „They would also need to replace the significant US contribution to NATO’s command and control arrangements and fill many senior military positions in NATO organizations currently occupied by US personnel,“ it found.

      This would, the study estimated, require additional financing by European NATO members of an estimated trillion dollars on top of already increasing defense budgets.

      Nick Witney, a former UK defense ministry staffer now working with the European Council on Foreign Relations, told DW that his „strong view is we just don’t bloody well need America now.“ While Witney added that the „more American troops are around in Europe for the longest possible time, the happier I should be and happier all Europeans would be,“ he doesn’t believe that „if Trump did turn around tomorrow and say, ‚All right, we’re all coming home, we’re through with you lot and you can forget about my nuclear guarantee,‘ I really don’t feel that all will be lost.“

      Part of this, he explained, is because of recent overtures made by French President Emmanuel Macron to several other allies about increasing nuclear cooperation outside NATO, as France does not currently make its own capabilities available to the alliance.

    2. It would be amazing for European sovereignty. Not to mention that if the US leaves, that doesn’t mean NATO disbands automatically. No, European officials would just move into the positions left behind by the Americans like a hermit crab and keep the structure running, only now the EU is the dominant player and external members like Canada, the UK and Turkey will suddenly have to look to Brussels if they wanna stay in. 

      Sure the Americans will take some (vital) aspects with them, like satellite surveillance and some other stuff, but overall it would be a good thing with solvable issues

    3. Ban4Speaking on

      A Nato without the US?

      An EU with Canada? 

      The latest prospects are definitely looking very positive even if the chances of them happening are slim. 

    4. GrenobleLyon on

      If Trump leaves NATO…

      …european members should stop buying US weapons…

      …and /r/buyfromEU 😉

    5. AtraVenator on

      As we should. An ally that can turn around and stab us in the back whenever it pleases or start shit randomly isn’t a reliable ally really.

    6. mumwifealcoholic on

      Mulls?

      Stop fucking around and act. Rutte will never be able to gargle those balls enough, do it now!

    7. What a titanic loss for USA. It can’t be described even by mentioning the namesake of that word.

    8. MommersHeart on

      It was just 9 weeks ago the US threatened to use imminent military force to seize the territory of a NATO ally.

      9 weeks ago.

      NATO can only survive if it can figure out how to operate without America.

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